Fox News audio manipulation of the VP debate

[funjumper101 15]

I recorded both the Faux News and the MSNBC broadcasts of the VP debate. I watched the debate live mostly on Fox for the split screen view of the participants.

Faux Spews manipulated the audio for both participants in the debate last night. Ryan’s audio was clear as a bell, with a bit of added bass to make him sound better. Biden’s audio was manipulated to make him sound old and scratchy, along with audio level variances as he moved slightly in relation to the desk mounted mike. The chest mounted mikes don't have audio level variance issues unless the audio is being deliberately manipulated.

Neither of these audio issues show up on the MSNBC recording. Both participants voices were the same as other recordings I have on my DVR. I spent a good hour comparing the audio from several different recordings I have accumulated, including the conventions. It was quite obvious that Biden’s audio was deliberately munged by Faux.

Did anyone else notice this? Do you have other audio outside of the debate to compare?

For the record, I have DirecTV HD DVR service, and a high quality 5.1 surround sound system with an Onkyo receiver. The audio output from the DVR is digital. In other words, the differences in audio were not equipment related.

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In other words, the differences in audio were not equipment related.

Except that it could have been a difference in broadcast quality or equipment on the production end, with out any malice intended.

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I recorded both the Faux News and the MSNBC broadcasts

This is well-known as "expectancy bias." You know how religious guys have set-ups that allow them to hear backward messages? They go looking for satanic messages and they find them, and attribute a motive of turning children into devil's disciples.

Tipper Gore looked for S&M in Twisted Sister's "Under the Blade" and she found it. Sure, it's about going into surgery, but, damn, Tipper Gore found was she was looking for.

You are looking for a problem and you are finding it. You are trying to find something against "faux news" and inherent bias allows you to find something.

Assuming it did happen, then you are stating that Making Paul Ryan sound more like OJ Simpson and making Joe Biden sound more like Ed Asner is a bad thing.

You are looking for stuff and making sure you find it.

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You beat me to it.

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Since you have DirectTV you might try watching the debates and other news on channel 212.

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I recorded both the Faux News and the MSNBC broadcasts

This is well-known as "expectancy bias." You know how religious guys have set-ups that allow them to hear backward messages? They go looking for satanic messages and they find them, and attribute a motive of turning children into devil's disciples.

Tipper Gore looked for S&M in Twisted Sister's "Under the Blade" and she found it. Sure, it's about going into surgery, but, damn, Tipper Gore found was she was looking for.

You are looking for a problem and you are finding it. You are trying to find something against "faux news" and inherent bias allows you to find something.

Assuming it did happen, then you are stating that Making Paul Ryan sound more like OJ Simpson and making Joe Biden sound more like Ed Asner is a bad thing.

You are looking for stuff and making sure you find it.

Not even close. Projection onto others that which you personally experience is a good defense mechanism.

My russian girlfriend, who was sitting watching with me, was the first to mention it. Once I started paying closer attention as I was switching between the broadcasts, it was really obvious. I spent more time comparing audio from the conventions and other random bits I have on DVR. The Faux broadcast last night was really obvious when compared to other recordings made, and played back on, the same exact equipment.

Sublimal influences have been extensively researched and are known to affect ones thinking. Faux Spews is well aware of this research.

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Yes I do. How about you?

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In other words, the differences in audio were not equipment related.

Except that it could have been a difference in broadcast quality or equipment on the production end, with out any malice intended.

Much more likely in this day and age of digital audio processing, is that the Republican News Channel can and will do sleazy, unethical things to advance their agenda.

Look up Roger Ailes' history, especially the early seventies. Ther is no sleazier shitweasel than Roger.

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Since you have DirectTV you might try watching the debates and other news on channel 212.

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My russian girlfriend, who was sitting watching with me, was the first to mention it.

I take it that she is a dyed-in-the-wool right winger? My wife mentions that I'm a good looking guy.

But how about the other part - how does making a man's voice sound more grandfatherly make someone sound bad?

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You are looking for stuff and making sure you find it.

One always have to consider that, as well as to consider alternate explanations.

But if he has both the Fox and the MSNBC recordings, he's eliminated a lot of that. People who only have one source can and do often read malice into situations where incompetence rules. But if only Fox has bad audio and only for one of the two speakers, how do you explain that? Surely each network doesn't have it's own mic at the podium.

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But how about the other part - how does making a man's voice sound more grandfatherly make someone sound bad?

He said scratchy....and let's face it, Biden's not the most likeable guy to start with and it was painful listening to him interrupting repeatedly. Making his voice closer to chalkboard only amplifies that and at a subtle subconscious level. So yes, there are benefits, if it did indeed occur.

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I recorded both the Faux News and the MSNBC broadcasts of the VP debate. I watched the debate live mostly on Fox for the split screen view of the participants.

Faux Spews manipulated the audio for both participants in the debate last night. Ryan’s audio was clear as a bell, with a bit of added bass to make him sound better. Biden’s audio was manipulated to make him sound old and scratchy, along with audio level variances as he moved slightly in relation to the desk mounted mike. The chest mounted mikes don't have audio level variance issues unless the audio is being deliberately manipulated.

Neither of these audio issues show up on the MSNBC recording. Both participants voices were the same as other recordings I have on my DVR. I spent a good hour comparing the audio from several different recordings I have accumulated, including the conventions. It was quite obvious that Biden’s audio was deliberately munged by Faux.

Did anyone else notice this? Do you have other audio outside of the debate to compare?

For the record, I have DirecTV HD DVR service, and a high quality 5.1 surround sound system with an Onkyo receiver. The audio output from the DVR is digital. In other words, the differences in audio were not equipment related.

Watched it live on ABC heard the same thing. But also saw VP Biden smacked his boom mike several times as well as adjust his lav and tie. So I kind of dismissed it to the VP. Ryan just drank lots if water.

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You are looking for stuff and making sure you find it.

One always have to consider that, as well as to consider alternate explanations.

But if he has both the Fox and the MSNBC recordings, he's eliminated a lot of that. People who only have one source can and do often read malice into situations where incompetence rules. But if only Fox has bad audio and only for one of the two speakers, how do you explain that? Surely each network doesn't have it's own mic at the podium.

I will always consider alternate explanations. But as a rule I generally operate against the initial thought that a conspiracy is in place.

I imagine something like this:
“Hey. I’m watching MSNBC’s debate coverage (which I haven’t done since Tim Russert died). Let’s switch over to Faux News. I’m sure they are lying about the debate.”
“Da, sweetheart. Hey, do you notice that Ryan sounds different? So does Biden?”
“Yeah. Ryan’s feed has a greater bass input to it and Biden’s is more raspy and scratchy.”
“Da. I agree.”
“That must be because Faux News is engaged in a conspiracy to make Biden sound worse that he does and make Ryan sound more melodious because Fox News is a right wing organization of cheats and liars run by Rupert Murdoch!”

I’m pretty cool with everything up to “That must be…” I compare it to this:

“Hey. What’s that in the sky?”
“I don’t know.”
“It looks like a star, but it’s moving. And it doesn’t have navigation lights.”
“I don’t know what it is.”
“Must be a UFO filled with aliens from another planet coming to visit us.”

Again, I’m fine with everything up to “Must be…” Starting there, I tend to question it.

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But how about the other part - how does making a man's voice sound more grandfatherly make someone sound bad?

He said scratchy....and let's face it, Biden's not the most likeable guy to start with and it was painful listening to him interrupting repeatedly. Making his voice closer to chalkboard only amplifies that and at a subtle subconscious level. So yes, there are benefits, if it did indeed occur.

Biden is unlikeable only to a certain kind of person. The kind that doesn't like folksy, true blue Americans. The kind that likes creepy eyed, lying weasels like Ryan.

Biden's normal voice is deep and projects well. He is the epitome of a politician, a throwback to the good old days. He does not have a scratchy, crackling voice as was broadcast of Faux.

When a weasel like Ryan is not stopping on time, telling lies and uttering half truths, he deserves to be interrupted to be corrected by his elders and betters. Ryan refused to take credit for his own policies and sponsored legislation. Co-sponsoring personhood bills with Todd Akin is a fact. Why didn't Ryan admit it?

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Biden is unlikeable only to a certain kind of person

You're right. Generally people who don't like arrogant condescending assholes don't like Biden.

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I will always consider alternate explanations. But as a rule I generally operate against the initial thought that a conspiracy is in place.

I imagine something like this:
“Hey. I’m watching MSNBC’s debate coverage (which I haven’t done since Tim Russert died). Let’s switch over to Faux News. I’m sure they are lying about the debate.”
“Da, sweetheart. Hey, do you notice that Ryan sounds different? So does Biden?”
“Yeah. Ryan’s feed has a greater bass input to it and Biden’s is more raspy and scratchy.”
“Da. I agree.”
“That must be because Faux News is engaged in a conspiracy to make Biden sound worse that he does and make Ryan sound more melodious because Fox News is a right wing organization of cheats and liars run by Rupert Murdoch!”

I’m pretty cool with everything up to “That must be…” I compare it to this:

“Hey. What’s that in the sky?”
“I don’t know.”
“It looks like a star, but it’s moving. And it doesn’t have navigation lights.”
“I don’t know what it is.”
“Must be a UFO filled with aliens from another planet coming to visit us.”

Again, I’m fine with everything up to “Must be…” Starting there, I tend to question it.

I thought that lawyer were specialists in language and writing. Laughable fiction such as this is quite lame.

My gal doesn't really care one way or the other about the candidates and US politics. She is very sharp when it comes to people speaking, lying, and being evasive. She has a job where she deals with the general public all the time. Customers are always trying to get over on people in her job. She is quite good at ferreting out lies from the truth. She hangs with me and reads or does on line chat with her family when I am watching this kind of stuff. She noticed the odd changes in pitch and timbre of the audio, and brought it to my attention.

I posted here to see if anyone else in this arena noticed anything similar. So far, all that I have heard is a load of crap about things that do not address the issue.

My question is very simple. Did anyone else notice anything amiss with the audio on Faux, compared to other broadcasts?
My equipment shows a significant difference on two different recordings made on the same equipment. One sounded quite normal. The other sounded like it was intentionally manipulated. Other reference recordings of the same two people, from different events, and different channels, showed that the sound on last nights debate, as presented by Faux, sounded manipulated, as heard by two different people.

My landlord is coming over this evening to have a listen. He used to be all about being a Republican, with a capital R. As he has been exposed to the truth of what has been done to the middle class, by the Republicans, he has started to question his beliefs. The part where they want to reduce or eliminate Medicaid, and SSI, hit home deeply for him. His mom is in a nursing home, and his son is permanently disabled. If the Rescums manage to implement cuts to these services so that the really wealthy, and most major corporations, can keep paying miniscule levels of taxes, he'll have to come up with the difference out of his own pocket. There is nothing like having politicians take from the needy to give to those that need nothing, to make a change in one's personal politics.

I'll post again after we review the recordings this evening.

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Biden is unlikeable only to a certain kind of person

You're right. Generally people who don't like arrogant condescending assholes don't like Biden.

When one is dealing with an Ann Randian nitwit like Ryan, it is a completely normal to less than respectful and deferential to them. Ignorant pinhead liars do not deserve respect and deference. They deserve to be laughed at and told that what they are saying is malarkey. If you view that as arrogant and condescending, you must be a Right Wing Conservative. Y'all are totally arrogant and condescending, while wallowing in abject ignorance about history and politics.

Are you aware that it was a conservative tenet that miscegenation laws were God's will and should not be changed? Are you aware that it was a conservative tenet that Child Labor Laws were a violation of parental rights, as well as unconstitutional? Conservative dominated SCOTUS found child labor laws to be unconstitutional several times before society evolved enough to put that nasty bit of history behind us. I have yet to hear of any positive social changes that happened due to the practical application of conservative policies. The attempts to limit one half of the US populations personal freedoms with regard to medical issues is a prime example of the NEGATIVE results of the practical application of conservative policies.

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Biden is unlikeable only to a certain kind of person

You're right. Generally people who don't like arrogant condescending assholes don't like Biden.

If you view that as arrogant and condescending, you must be a Right Wing Conservative. Y'all are totally arrogant and condescending, while wallowing in abject ignorance about history and politics.

So if I have a differing viewpoint than yours...

Well, I can see how you had the time to do all that comparative research for something so trivial. Either you are trying too hard to troll and passed by the point where it works or you seriously need some fresh air and new friends.

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Now that's some funny stuff, right there.

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When a weasel like Ryan is not stopping on time, telling lies and uttering half truths, he deserves to be interrupted to be corrected by his elders and betters. Ryan refused to take credit for his own policies and sponsored legislation. Co-sponsoring personhood bills with Todd Akin is a fact. Why didn't Ryan admit it?

Ryan wasn't having a debate with his father, and even parents needs to set an example on manners. Biden did what you see a lot of talk show hosts do with their callers - interrupt and steamroll, not engage in honest discussion or debate. I think it's disgraceful how Ryan (and Romney) are trying to have their cake and eat it too (not give details), but it doesn't excuse Biden for the part I heard. I find that sort of behavior very grating and I turned to another station after about 5 minutes.

FFS, it was only 12 years ago that Gore behaved this way in the debate with Bush and it was yet another of the ways he pissed away his win. Even if you think your opponent is beneath you, keep it to yourself, or be just a tad selective at where you use laughter or interruptions.

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My question is very simple. Did anyone else notice anything amiss with the audio on Faux, compared to other broadcasts?

Odds are few people here watched the debate on two separate channels. And not many watched it on one. There was good football and baseball last night.

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The chest mounted mikes don't have audio level variance issues unless the audio is being deliberately manipulated.

Really? so you know it was a Tram vs a C3, 892, or mx150?

Biden played with his tie a lot, and a uni vs omni (it was a live environment), easily has level fluctuations without anything being touched. A broadcast compressor will only make this more evident (and doesn't require help from anyone's hands). Toss in AC3 compression, and any number of things, it could easily explain this away.
Fox annoys me, but I sincerely doubt anyone torpedoed Biden's mic.

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