jimmytavino 16 #26 October 7, 2012 GD would you be so kind as to edit your post wherein you MISSPELLED my name... christsakes, it makes you sound " Uneducated ", ya' know??? and we wouldn't want THAT now,,, would we??? Tavino....it's real simple...It pisses me off to no end when people simply ADD an "R " 'cause it sounds to THEM........like Our Surname Needs it........i.e. TRAvino..It's just basic reading comprehension... did they NOT teach that to you...in grad school?????jimmytavino edited to add...thank you GeorgiaDon for making that correction.. ....carry on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chutem 0 #27 October 7, 2012 Quote GD would you be so kind as to edit your post wherein you MISSPELLED my name... christsakes, it makes you sound " Uneducated ", ya' know??? and we wouldn't want THAT now,,, would we??? Tavino....it's real simple...It pisses me off to no end when people simply ADD an "R " 'cause it sounds to THEM........like Our Surname Needs it........ It's just basic reading comprehension... did they NOT teach that to you...in grad school?????jimmytavino I've read your name on here countless times and always added the r in there subconsciously. Probably a mental problem of some kind, hope I don't lose my medical over it.James Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #28 October 7, 2012 Oops sorry! As I was replying to matthewcline I couldn't see your post, and obviously screwed up. Correction made. Don _____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #29 October 7, 2012 I've read your name on here countless times and always added the r in there subconsciously. Probably a mental problem of some kind, hope I don't lose my medical over it.James no worries....EVERYone here.. has some sorta "mental problem of some kind" ....especially in S C !!!. just PLEASE don't misspell my First name..OK????"james" tavino A 3914 D 12122 UPSA # 9452 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #30 October 7, 2012 QuoteI and many of my friends and all my siblings, and our kids and many of our childrens contemporaries have ALL earned College level degrees..... Sadly it must be pointed out ...That Not All have found gainful employment ANywhere... let alone in "their field of expertise"... True enough, they may be HOPING to see some kind of return but there are NO guarantees... Much as I may wish that everyone who goes through higher education could land their "dream career", or even just something that provides a decent return on their investment, your second statement states reality succinctly: there are no guarantees. There is always a competition for good jobs, and appropriate qualifications are just the price of admission to the competition. Do you think the college should also have to find a job for its graduates? Some colleges have students do internships at private companies, but the better internships are highly competitive and those companies will often take several interns and then perhaps offer a job only to one. That's the way things work: employers will take the best applicant they can find, and the rest have to try again elsewhere. QuoteI am NOT resentful of ANYone........ShockedCrazy where did you come UP with THAT????? Well lets see. How about: QuoteLucky are those,,like deans and professors and PhDs.... whose somewhat "cushy" livelihood is FUNDED by such an ass-backwards system... I wonder if such folks ever feel any RESPONSIBILTY towards those students whom they kick out the door at graduation, regardless of whether or not those folks can FIND a J O B .. what matters??? so long as the next batch of innocent naive freshmen are there to take their places... Hmmm. Why would I perceive any anger or resentment there? But I'll take your word for it that you have only respect for higher education. It's just the teachers you seem to hold in contempt. Have I got that straight now? QuoteYou must be involved in teaching or academia of some sort...Quoteprofessors and PhDs.... whose somewhat "cushy" livelihood is FUNDED by such an ass-backwards system... Indeed I am a University professor. Let me tell you about my "cushy life". To get to this point, the "price of admission" was a BSc degree (4 years), a Master of Science degree (3 years), a PhD (5 years), and two postdoctoral fellowships (6 years total). The BSc was totally out of pocket, paid for with 2 years of working and saving almost every penny after high school, plus working summer jobs and evenings during theschool year. I did have a teaching assistantship to help out during the MSc and PhD, which paid a grandiose 6-7,000. As a postdoctoral researcher I made a luxurious $20,000/year and worked my ass off (70-80 hrs/week), while also trying to be a real father to my kids. Why? Because I wanted to get a job in my field, and I was quite aware that every applicant for every job would have a PhD and postdoctoral experience, so I knew that I had to be better than those other applicants by having more published papers in better journals, and by having independent research funding. So ultimately I was able to get that job, beating out over 100 other qualified applicants, just a year before turning 40. Of course, I still work about 70 hrs/week, except those weeks where I have to put in 80 hrs. All for a princely 5-figure salary; I'd need a 20% raise to hit 6 figures (before taxes). I pretty much expect to have to work until at least 70, as I wasn't able to really put a lot away towards retirement until I had that first "real job" at 39 years old. So Mr. Tavino, tell me again how cushy my life is. The only thing about it that I can see as "cushy" is that I genuinely enjoy going to work most days, and I feel that I'm doing something worthwhile. I owe my students the best education I can give them in my fields of expertise. I don't have to make their bed, fix them dinner, or find them a job. If they want to be the very best applicant for a job, they should be prepared to: work their ass off in school, even if it means skipping the Friday/Saturday night party scene volunteer, take an unpaid internship, or work minimum wage entry positions to get relevant job experience be prepared to leave friends and family behind and move across the country, or even out of the country, for your career. I can honestly say I did every one of those things. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #31 October 8, 2012 QuoteI now know, IYO, I have not had a career, i need to get crackin'! Well, I don't know what you do but I certainly didn't mean to imply that. If you say you have a career that has required no classroom training beyond high school, I stand corrected and apologize. However I still maintain that the majority of professional careers, such as MD, architect, engineer, scientist, finance, law and on and on require training beyond high school. Even air conditioning repair is taught as a certificate program at technical college. I suspect the day is gone when one could become an electrician, plumber, auto mechanic, and on and on, without taking any classes beyond high school, though in the past one could go straight to an apprenticeship. Quote...they are students. Shouldn't be counted for against the numbers.No dispute from me about that. However, the thread started out talking about the dubious nature of government reporting of unemployment numbers, with its obvious political implications. I read Jimmy's post as saying that everyone 18 and over who doesn't have a job, or who only has a part time job when they want more, should be considered to be unemployed, including full time students. This is reminiscent of an earlier thread about a measurement of "unemployment" where everybody 18 and older who wasn't employed full time was considered to be unemployed, even if they were retired or a full time student. This only serves to inflate the number of "unemployed" to the point where the number is meaningless, for obvious political purposes. Similarly, not counting people who want a job but who haven't applied for a specific job in the last two weeks (for whatever reason), deflates the numbers, likely for equally obvious political purposes. Anyway, full time students are not "unemployed" and it's silly or disingenuous to count them as such. Calling them "unemployed", in the context of a discussion about whether or not the economy is recovering, directly implies that they should be employed, and suggests that going to school is second best to having a job. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #32 October 8, 2012 good for You!!!!.... that you"did every one of those things" YOU made a career choice and so why Wouldn't you do those things?? however you don't KNOW me... and so you HAVE incorrectly attributed certain things TO me, that are flat out wrong..i resent No one...I am a Husband to a teacher a Father to a teacher a Brother to a teacher an Uncle to about 6 teachers and so i Have first hand knowledge of the effort and Strength that it takes to follow that calling....( elementary and secondary education) That being said .. I DO feel that Higher Education (College and University Level) has lost some of it's cache'... That it no longer 'delivers'. That the spiraling costs may NOT justify the uncertainty of benefitting from said 'education', that graduates no longer enjoy the prestige and assurance of employment, as in the past.. and that YES.... lots of folks in University level Academia.. have it EASY.....Working waaay less that the hours which you state.... Just because i point out some Facts which may touch a nerve in you.... you may NOT label me as resentful.. and you may NOT claim that i hold anyone in contempt.... ...because Neither statement which you made about me....is true...If you knew me.....you'd be laughing at the absurdity of your remarks...so how about You do what you Wanna Do for work... and I'll do what i wanna do...???Ok???? Damn..... if you're working 70 or 80 hours a week???? when can you find time to skydive????? anyway.. This thread is about unemployment statistics... and so we Both owe the readers and the original poster here, an apology for taking it so far out of the intended subject area. I commented about 'college students' only as they applied to the "working or non working public". Nothing more nothing less.... But since that topic is apparently close to your heart... you jumped all over it... and me.... we're done Pal. Have a great career. inspire many. work hard... skydive when you can and do it Safely... peace jamesTavino A 3914 D 12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #33 October 8, 2012 Quote...skydive when you can and do it Safely... And you as well. Hope things work out well for your family and they all find the employment they're looking for. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #34 October 9, 2012 QuoteQuote...skydive when you can and do it Safely... And you as well. Hope things work out well for your family and they all find the employment they're looking for. Don I don't really think he ever said anyone in his immediate family was looking for work -- they mostly seem to be employed teachers already...If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
