normiss 872 #26 October 3, 2012 You personally willing to open your private medical records to the gooberment???? That just might be a legal definition of "nutter". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #27 October 3, 2012 Quote You personally willing to open your private medical records to the gooberment???? That just might be a legal definition of "nutter". Maybe there are other effective ways of handling the problem, if you would just admit the possibility instead of burying your head in the sand.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 872 #28 October 3, 2012 I have never done that John. I have, like most folks here, inquire REPEATEDLY about your magic see into the future whacko device that doesn't and never will exist. Prying into the LEGAL PRIVACY of one's mental medical records is one for the supremes wouldn't you think? Until someone can tell me that LEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP will NOT be impacted because of a prescription given to stop smoking or for ADHD as a MINOR would not exclude folks from owning weapons, I cannot and will not support it. If you're so willing to vacate MORE privacy to the gooberment....I'm damn near speechless. I'm about through giving up rights that accomplish jack towards the intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #29 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Right, and the laws need to be changed to better identify and treat people who need help because they are a danger to themselves and others without trampling on the rights of SANE law abiding citizens. > Fixed it for you. so you believe that those who might be mentally unstable have no rights then. glad we got that out of the way. Tricky thing, the whole rights debate. I think unstable people do have rights; but all rights can be limited if society as a whole deems it necessary. Applies regardless of level of stability." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #30 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Right, and the laws need to be changed to better identify and treat people who need help because they are a danger to themselves and others without trampling on the rights of SANE law abiding citizens. > Fixed it for you. so you believe that those who might be mentally unstable have no rights then. glad we got that out of the way. STRAWMAN arguments suggest you have no real response.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Good luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. So you want to throw up your hands like kelpdiver and say "Nothing can be done" and just wait for the next nutter to go on a shooting spree. We are still waiting for you to suggest a solution that doesn't violate Constitutional Rights. We won't be holding our breath. Please continue the hand wringing, instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #32 October 3, 2012 Quote STRAWMAN arguments suggest you have no real response. what? you mean when someone uses your own tactics against you you don't like it? Or does it just mean that as often as you use that tactic you don't have many real responses??-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #33 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote STRAWMAN arguments suggest you have no real response. what? you mean when someone uses your own tactics against you you don't like it? Or does it just mean that as often as you use that tactic you don't have many real responses?? I never claimed that mentally ill people have no rights. You wrote Quote so you believe that those who might be mentally unstable have no rights then. Your post was a STRAWMAN. So no response to you is needed... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #34 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote STRAWMAN arguments suggest you have no real response. what? you mean when someone uses your own tactics against you you don't like it? Or does it just mean that as often as you use that tactic you don't have many real responses?? I never claimed that mentally ill people have no rights. Your post was a STRAWMAN. So no response to you is needed Still waiting for the tap dancing to end and to hear your solution. Or we could just sit back and enjoy the continued hand wringing. Your choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #35 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Good luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. So you want to throw up your hands like kelpdiver and say "Nothing can be done" and just wait for the next nutter to go on a shooting spree. We are still waiting for you to suggest a solution that doesn't violate Constitutional Rights. We won't be holding our breath. Please continue the hand wringing, instead. SCOTUS has declared that the 2nd Amendment does not prevent prohibitions on gun ownership by felons or the mentally ill. SCOTUS, not you, decides what is Constitutional and what is not.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Good luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. So you want to throw up your hands like kelpdiver and say "Nothing can be done" and just wait for the next nutter to go on a shooting spree. We are still waiting for you to suggest a solution that doesn't violate Constitutional Rights. We won't be holding our breath. Please continue the hand wringing, instead. SCOTUS has declared that the 2nd Amendment does not prevent prohibitions on gun ownership by felons or the mentally ill. SCOTUS, not you, decides what is Constitutional and what is not. Do tell how that should be implemented. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #37 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Good luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. So you want to throw up your hands like kelpdiver and say "Nothing can be done" and just wait for the next nutter to go on a shooting spree. We are still waiting for you to suggest a solution that doesn't violate Constitutional Rights. We won't be holding our breath. Please continue the hand wringing, instead. Quote "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Are you talking about the SC folks, or what? Who's that everyone on here? Who's that we? That our? I beg to differ. I'd love to talk for myself and do not need you for that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,118 #38 October 3, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Good luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. So you want to throw up your hands like kelpdiver and say "Nothing can be done" and just wait for the next nutter to go on a shooting spree. We are still waiting for you to suggest a solution that doesn't violate Constitutional Rights. We won't be holding our breath. Please continue the hand wringing, instead. SCOTUS has declared that the 2nd Amendment does not prevent prohibitions on gun ownership by felons or the mentally ill. SCOTUS, not you, decides what is Constitutional and what is not. Do tell how that should be implemented. I'd defer to expert opinion on that. I'm not an expert on Constitutional Law. However, I DO know that wailing "nothing can be done" like you do will guarantee that nothing will be done and we'll continue to have multiple homicides committed by nutters.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 October 3, 2012 Quote I never claimed that mentally ill people have no rights. actually, you've asserted on numerous occasions that potentially mentally ill people should not enjoy full rights because 'victims have rights too.' Since there is no constitutionally sound method to determine those people without violating rights to privacy, due process and cause (the part you throw up your hands and say "wah, I'm not an expert! I just know SOMETHING has to be done), I'd rather see citizens' right to self defense be enhanced. That is a problem we actually can solve, and many states have made substantial progress on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
