kallend 2,130 #1 October 2, 2012 ...loonie with a gun.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 October 2, 2012 QuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 October 2, 2012 QuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. Thank you for pointing that out. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #5 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #6 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. Thank you for pointing that out. The victims have had rights too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #7 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #8 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Are you going to claim that the gunman was a sane, normal gun owner? That Engeldinger joins the ranks of such other sane, normal gun owners as Cho, Loughner and Kazmierczak.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #9 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Are you going to claim that the gunman was a sane, normal gun owner? That Engeldinger joins the ranks of such other sane, normal gun owners as Cho, Loughner and Kazmierczak. Not what I'm claiming at all and you know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #10 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Are you going to claim that the gunman was a sane, normal gun owner? That Engeldinger joins the ranks of such other sane, normal gun owners as Cho, Loughner and Kazmierczak. Not what I'm claiming at all and you know it. So you agree that Engeldinger is a nutter and had a gun which he used to kill multiple innocent people. Rather like the other nutters Cho, Kazmierczak, Holmes, Loughner... who used guns to kill multiple innocent people. Glad we got that out of the way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Are you going to claim that the gunman was a sane, normal gun owner? That Engeldinger joins the ranks of such other sane, normal gun owners as Cho, Loughner and Kazmierczak. Not what I'm claiming at all and you know it. So you agree that Engeldinger is a nutter and had a gun which he used to kill multiple innocent people. Rather like the other nutters Cho, Kazmierczak, Holmes, Loughner... who used guns to kill multiple innocent people. Glad we got that out of the way. Right, and the laws need to be changed to better identify and treat people who need help because they are a danger to themselves and others without trampling on the rights of law abiding citizens. Do you really need to go down this road again? We all know where we stand and where you stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #12 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMinnesota law doesn't allow people to be forced into treatment without proof that they are a threat to themselves or others. But Kallend is ready to put them behind (padded) bars. And you are surprised? Rather than addressing the problem of identifying and treating those who need mental help, the knee-jerk reaction is to trample on the Constitution. No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. "Loonie with a Gun".... everyone on here knew exactly what you meant. Are you going to claim that the gunman was a sane, normal gun owner? That Engeldinger joins the ranks of such other sane, normal gun owners as Cho, Loughner and Kazmierczak. Not what I'm claiming at all and you know it. So you agree that Engeldinger is a nutter and had a gun which he used to kill multiple innocent people. Rather like the other nutters Cho, Kazmierczak, Holmes, Loughner... who used guns to kill multiple innocent people. Glad we got that out of the way. Right, and the laws need to be changed to better identify and treat people who need help because they are a danger to themselves and others without trampling on the rights of SANE law abiding citizens. > Fixed it for you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 October 2, 2012 I'm happy for you if it makes you feel better to add "sane". I'm sure you won't get much disagreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 October 2, 2012 Quote No - the article addresses the issue of properly treating the mentally ill. Nothing whatever to do with trampling the Constitution. The victims have Constitutional rights too. But those rights do not include guarantees that nothing bad will ever happen to them. Or the right to enforce prior restraint against the rights of other Americans without cause and due process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 October 2, 2012 Do you have the same disdain for the President and the Attorney General for putting assault weapons into the hands of the drug lords. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWuoR5LC1-4 Didn't think so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #16 October 2, 2012 QuoteDo you have the same disdain for the President and the Attorney General for putting assault weapons into the hands of the drug lords. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWuoR5LC1-4 Didn't think so. Are drug lords "Law abiding, sane citizens"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #17 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuote Right, and the laws need to be changed to better identify and treat people who need help because they are a danger to themselves and others without trampling on the rights of SANE law abiding citizens. > Fixed it for you. so you believe that those who might be mentally unstable have no rights then. glad we got that out of the way.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 October 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteDo you have the same disdain for the President and the Attorney General for putting assault weapons into the hands of the drug lords. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWuoR5LC1-4 Didn't think so. Are drug lords "Law abiding, sane citizens"? Not what I said. Try again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #19 October 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you have the same disdain for the President and the Attorney General for putting assault weapons into the hands of the drug lords. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWuoR5LC1-4 Didn't think so. Are drug lords "Law abiding, sane citizens"? Not what I said. Try again. You can figure it out if you REALLY REALLY think very very hard.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 October 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you have the same disdain for the President and the Attorney General for putting assault weapons into the hands of the drug lords. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWuoR5LC1-4 Didn't think so. Are drug lords "Law abiding, sane citizens"? Not what I said. Try again. You can figure it out if you REALLY REALLY think very very hard. Nothing to figure out. You are behind the curve and haven't realized it yet. Please keep posting, though. It's mildly entertaining to see you struggle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #21 October 3, 2012 you'd do better to stay on topic and not play his silly games. You'll note he had no response when I talked about prior restraint and what rights actually exist and which ones are fantasy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 October 3, 2012 I like watching him go from the silly to pathetic insults. I've just about got him there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #23 October 3, 2012 Quoteyou'd do better to stay on topic and not play his silly games. You'll note he had no response when I talked about prior restraint and what rights actually exist and which ones are fantasy. SCOTUS has declared very clearly that mentally ill people do not have a right to guns. We need a better mechanism in place to ensure that people like Holmes, Cho, Loughner et al are not able to get guns with casual ease. But all the while people like you and GM refuse even to admit the possibility of a solution we must expect multiple homicides by nutters with guns on a regular basis.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 882 #24 October 3, 2012 Good luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,130 #25 October 3, 2012 QuoteGood luck getting into people's health care information. IMO, until the legalities there are sorted, this won't move. So you want to throw up your hands like kelpdiver and say "Nothing can be done" and just wait for the next nutter to go on a shooting spree.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
