kallend 2,182 #1 September 30, 2012 GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan declined Sunday to give specifics of the campaign’s tax plan, saying “it would take me too long.” The Democrats have repeatedly hammered Ryan and Mitt Romney for failing to detail how they would finance a promised 20% tax cut. On “Fox News Sunday,” host Chris Wallace pressed Ryan to do the arithmetic, noting that President Obama says it would cost $5 trillion over a decade. Ryan said that figure was off-base but refused to offer one of his own. “I don’t have time,” the Wisconsin congressman said. “It would take me too long to go through all the math.” Read more: www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/paul-ryan-long-explain-math-tax-plan-article-1.1171433#ixzz27xvemqTl... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 September 30, 2012 As opposed to Obama who tosses out any bullshit numbers that sound good at the moment but never seems to work out because of the Republicans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #3 September 30, 2012 Quote As opposed to Obama who tosses out any bullshit numbers that sound good at the moment but never seems to work out because of the Republicans. lol @ bullshit numbers. Look at the bipartisan CBO conclusions. Obama's numbers make sense. The GOP (neither Ryan nor Romney) doesn't make sense even in the MOST favorable conditions./ Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 September 30, 2012 How's that deficit reduction and unemployment rate working out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #5 September 30, 2012 If you believe Ryan I have a bridge for you, cheap.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #6 September 30, 2012 Quote How's that deficit reduction and unemployment rate working out? According to the CBO, progressively well. CBO on the Ryan Plan: http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-ryan_letter.pdf Oh and if you want to compare how U.S is faring in comparison to other Financial-crises (you seem pretty willing to do everything to not understand what happened in 2007-2008) http://oregoneconomicanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/rr_employment.jpg Also look up the U.K and how Osborne tackled their own depression (errily similar to what Romney is proposing)... hint: doing not so good my friend Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #7 September 30, 2012 How long would it have taken Ryan to say they would take from the middle class and give to the rich? He's a proven liar, even more so than the average politician.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 September 30, 2012 Nice dodge. Did you forget about the bullshit of cutting the deficit in half and then increasing it by $6 trillion? Did you forget about the bullshit number on keeping the unemployment rate below 6% if only he could have another $1 billion? And now you expect that if we just give him 4 more years, everything will be great? I call Bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #9 September 30, 2012 Quote How long would it have taken Ryan to say they would take from the middle class and give to the rich? He's a proven liar, even more so than the average politician. It's painfully obvious you get your facts from the political spin. Have you tried actually reading the plan without someone telling you what to think? www.mittromney.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #10 September 30, 2012 QuoteNice dodge. Did you forget about the bullshit of cutting the deficit in half and then increasing it by $6 trillion? Did you forget about the bullshit number on keeping the unemployment rate below 6% if only he could have another $1 billion? And now you expect that if we just give him 4 more years, everything will be great? I call Bullshit. lol nice dodge? And do you not understand the 3 trillion $ output gap that was left out in the aftermath of the Lehman Brother collapse? You're always so ... angered by this. You almost seem to take it personally. I love reading financial statements, budget plans and the whatnot. But if we blindly take the two budget proposals, the GOP plan simply just doesn't work, almost imaginary. I think what could help is for people to look back at what the media was saying back in the early 1930s. They were saying quite eerily the same thing that we are today. Fear of inflation, fear of debt, fear of decline..... And with all this concerns, there was the lack of doing anything at all- needlessly prolonging America's Great Depression. Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #11 September 30, 2012 QuoteQuote How long would it have taken Ryan to say they would take from the middle class and give to the rich? He's a proven liar, even more so than the average politician. It's painfully obvious you get your facts from the political spin. Have you tried actually reading the plan without someone telling you what to think? www.mittromney.com You are so funny. Every INDEPENDENT economist who looks at Ryan's BS says it violates the basic laws of mathematics. Which is no doubt why he is now reluctant to discuss it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 September 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteNice dodge. Did you forget about the bullshit of cutting the deficit in half and then increasing it by $6 trillion? Did you forget about the bullshit number on keeping the unemployment rate below 6% if only he could have another $1 billion? And now you expect that if we just give him 4 more years, everything will be great? I call Bullshit. lol nice dodge? And do you not understand the 3 trillion $ output gap that was left out in the aftermath of the Lehman Brother collapse? You're always so ... angered by this. You almost seem to take it personally. I love reading financial statements, budget plans and the whatnot. But if we blindly take the two budget proposals, the GOP plan simply just doesn't work, almost imaginary. I think what could help is for people to look back at what the media was saying back in the early 1930s. They were saying quite eerily the same thing that we are today. Fear of inflation, fear of debt, fear of decline..... And with all this concerns, there was the lack of doing anything at all- needlessly prolonging America's Great Depression. Cheers! Shc Plans, proposals and estimates do not equate to reality. He can't even get his own party to pass a budget. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 September 30, 2012 Hopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 September 30, 2012 Sweet!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #16 September 30, 2012 QuoteHopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. Yes, creating jobs for Cayman Islanders and Swiss bank workers. Very patriotic, NOT.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #17 September 30, 2012 QuoteHopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. "you and your ilk" lol. Why so much hate? We're in this together. You're a bit too focused on wanting to be right. "You guys will see; if he is re-elected we are all doomed! Just watch". p-s: about your comment on people investing overseas. Look at the U.S 10 years, an all time-low because TOO MANY people are investing in the U.S. Investors are literally paying the U.S to take their money (adjusted per inflation). Look at: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USGG10YR:IND Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #18 September 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteHopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. "you and your ilk" lol. Why so much hate? We're in this together. You're a bit too focused on wanting to be right. "You guys will see; if he is re-elected we are all doomed! Just watch". p-s: about your comment on people investing overseas. Look at the U.S 10 years, an all time-low because TOO MANY people are investing in the U.S. Investors are literally paying the U.S to take their money (adjusted per inflation). Look at: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USGG10YR:IND Cheers! Shc Funny thing is that the US economy was actually doing better when tax rates were higher. GM's right wing scare tactic is not based on anything other than the pure greed of his "ilk".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #19 September 30, 2012 Weren't you one of the one's defending Clinton's integrity as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 September 30, 2012 QuoteNice dodge. Did you forget about the bullshit of cutting the deficit in half and then increasing it by $6 trillion? Did you forget about the bullshit number on keeping the unemployment rate below 6% if only he could have another $1 billion? And now you expect that if we just give him 4 more years, everything will be great? I call Bullshit. You're confusing debt and deficit again. The Ryan plan of cutting taxes while increasing military spending will not do good things for either. To deny this is to live in Alice's Wonderland. And yes, this is why he won't talk details...Romney can't afford to get tied down by facts again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #21 September 30, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Hopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. "you and your ilk" lol. Why so much hate? We're in this together. You're a bit too focused on wanting to be right. "You guys will see; if he is re-elected we are all doomed! Just watch". p-s: about your comment on people investing overseas. Look at the U.S 10 years, an all time-low because TOO MANY people are investing in the U.S. Investors are literally paying the U.S to take their money (adjusted per inflation). Look at: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USGG10YR:IND Cheers! Shc Funny thing is that the US economy was actually doing better when tax rates were higher. GM's right wing scare tactic is not based on anything other than the pure greed of his "ilk". Right, the US economy was doing better BECAUSE taxes were higher. I'm sure you and your ilk actually believe that doughball. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #22 September 30, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Hopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. "you and your ilk" lol. Why so much hate? We're in this together. You're a bit too focused on wanting to be right. "You guys will see; if he is re-elected we are all doomed! Just watch". p-s: about your comment on people investing overseas. Look at the U.S 10 years, an all time-low because TOO MANY people are investing in the U.S. Investors are literally paying the U.S to take their money (adjusted per inflation). Look at: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USGG10YR:IND Cheers! Shc Funny thing is that the US economy was actually doing better when tax rates were higher. GM's right wing scare tactic is not based on anything other than the pure greed of his "ilk". Right, the US economy was doing better BECAUSE taxes were higher. Making Strawman arguments show you have run out of real ones.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #23 September 30, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. "you and your ilk" lol. Why so much hate? We're in this together. You're a bit too focused on wanting to be right. "You guys will see; if he is re-elected we are all doomed! Just watch". p-s: about your comment on people investing overseas. Look at the U.S 10 years, an all time-low because TOO MANY people are investing in the U.S. Investors are literally paying the U.S to take their money (adjusted per inflation). Look at: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USGG10YR:IND Cheers! Shc Funny thing is that the US economy was actually doing better when tax rates were higher. GM's right wing scare tactic is not based on anything other than the pure greed of his "ilk". Right, the US economy was doing better BECAUSE taxes were higher. Making Strawman arguments show you have run out of real ones. Back at you. Just responding you yours. But you are right, you have no argument unless you are actually claiming the economy improves when taxes are raised. That's like claiming my thermometer controls the weather because every time the mercury goes up it gets hotter outside and every time it goes down it gets colder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #24 October 1, 2012 Quote If you believe Ryan I have a bridge for you, cheap. I would go for a bridge if it could be made to work. In the meantime I must make do with a partial plate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #25 October 1, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Hopefully, one day you and your ilk will come to realize that as long as we have the highest corporate taxes in the industrialized world, that wealthy people and their corporations will continue to invest overseas. But, I'm not holding my breath. "you and your ilk" lol. Why so much hate? We're in this together. You're a bit too focused on wanting to be right. "You guys will see; if he is re-elected we are all doomed! Just watch". p-s: about your comment on people investing overseas. Look at the U.S 10 years, an all time-low because TOO MANY people are investing in the U.S. Investors are literally paying the U.S to take their money (adjusted per inflation). Look at: http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/USGG10YR:IND Cheers! Shc Funny thing is that the US economy was actually doing better when tax rates were higher. GM's right wing scare tactic is not based on anything other than the pure greed of his "ilk". Right, the US economy was doing better BECAUSE taxes were higher. Making Strawman arguments show you have run out of real ones. Back at you. Just responding you yours. But you are right, you have no argument unless you are actually claiming the economy improves when taxes are raised. That's like claiming my thermometer controls the weather because every time the mercury goes up it gets hotter outside and every time it goes down it gets colder. Continuing to make strawman arguments shows very clearly that you have nothing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
