Massive Republican voter registration fraud uncovered in Florida

[muff528 3]

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How is new voter fraud any more illegal or damaging to the electorate than existing voter fraud? So, to you, the important point is not that voter fraud exists, The important point is how that fraud is discovered ....or more likely who is committing fraud. Hey, I have an idea. Let's verify each registration at the point where that registration, fraudulent or not, has the most impact ...at the polls, by requiring a photo ID. Eliminate early voting. Implement an accurate and efficient system to verify absentee ballots. Let's increase penalties for lying on applications and for fabricating voters, and for fraudulent voting and for voter intimidation, etc.

Out of curiousity, how do underage youth manage to obtain alcohol at bars and liquor stores?

Illegally. It's also mostly illegal to kill people or jump off of antennas but folks still do it.

[muff528 3]

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Heritage Foundation - nice impartial source, NOT

Of course they are not. What "impartial" sources are the source of your wisdom?

The default rate for CRA loans is totally impartial. UNLIKE the Heritage Foundation.

But the default rate of the CRA loans (and other subprime loans) is not the only, or even the important factor in their contribution to the collapse. These loans created a market-disturbing, massive influx of money for mortgages causing property values and housing prices to artificially and dramatically spike. Here in Central Florida it was not uncommon to see homes which were in the $40K class spike to $200,000. Loans were made with $zero down payments with the belief that the properties would increase in value, thereby creating equity for the new owners. Homes often sold for more than the asking prices with bidding wars among potential buyers. These same houses are now devalued to the original values ...or even less. A lot of homeowner's who have not defaulted (regardless of whether or not they benefited from the CRA or subprime loans) are now tens of thousands of dollars upside-down in their homes. Other homes sit abandoned causing further devaluation of neighborhoods and surrounding property values. Banks are stuck with these properties.

Homeowners who took advantage of the high prices sold their homes for these inflated prices. Of course they had to live somewhere and they used the windfall and a new mortgage to upgrade ...but now, with a mortgage they didn't have before, they found their property taxes and insurance become unmanageable. (for example: on a $40000 house with a $25000 homestead exemption they paid taxes on $15000 of value. Now they were paying taxes on $150,000 of their property's value ...even with the homestead exemption raised to 50K). A lot of folks lost their homes just over that. Along with the spike in property values were the re-evaluations by local governments who received windfalls in taxes on the artificial values and began spending like drunken sailors. The City of Lakeland even used the loss of these windfall taxes after 2008 as an excuse to close parks during holidays, reduce services, etc.

Another factor was greed of the speculators who began flipping houses for heavy profits. They also made a lot of money until the crash, with the last one holding the house being the loser. Also, builders and developers started a lot of new communities to meet the demands generated by the free flow of money made available through the subprime and CRA market. Not just homes, but shopping centers, malls, etc. were built. Many of these are now vacant or unfinished.

The banks and lending institutions (although not totally blameless) recognized the precarious nature of many of these loans and that's where the derivative market comes in. They packaged these loans in an attempt to hedge against the collapse which they knew was coming. Fannie and Freddie were more than happy to take these toxic loans off their hands. After all, they weren't using their own money. The problems facing Fannie and Freddie were known years before the housing collapse. No-one did anything then and in fact their only actions were to deny there was a problem. By the time QE came around it was too late. And it ain't over yet. There are still thousands, if not millions, of overvalued mortgages out there that will never see parity with the property values. These "homeowners" are essentially just paying rent and may yet just leave the keys on the counter and walk off.

[billvon 3,116]

>What I was stating was the irony of the GOP crying about voter fraud in
>Florida, and then their registration drive ends up responsible for almost
>the same number of all the fraudulent registrations in the state that they
>were able to uncover in the first place..

Looks like the GOP has been busy in California too:

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Riverside County GOP registration surge raises questions of fraud

At least 133 residents of a state Senate district there have filed formal complaints with the state, saying they were added to GOP rolls without their knowledge.

September 29, 2012, 6:31 p.m.

SACRAMENTO — Aggressive recruitment efforts in one of California's most hotly contested voting districts has created a surge of newly minted Republicans like Marleny Reyes. Except she had no intention of joining the GOP.

The Moreno Valley College student is among scores of voters in Riverside County who say they were duped.

Formal complaints filed with the state by at least 133 residents of a state Senate district there say they were added to GOP rolls without their knowledge, calling into question the party's boast that Republican membership has rocketed 23% in the battleground area.

More than 27,700 residents of the legislative district have become Republicans since January, according to the California secretary of state's office — erasing a registration edge long held by Democrats.
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Gee... It' only 133. Why are you getting upset about 133 fraudulent voters? It's not like it would make any difference in an election.

[billvon 3,116]

>Gee... It' only 133.

239 and counting.

Looks like you don't need to require voter registration - just make sure the GOP has no further opportunities to try to rig elections and you've solved the problem. Isn't the "punish the guilty not the innocent" the rallying cry of the gun-rights crowd? Perhaps we should apply such thinking to electoral fraud.

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We shouldn't be worried about such a small problem. It's not like it would be enough to change the outcome of an election. I swear you lefties always want to make a big deal over everything.

[billvon 3,116]

>We shouldn't be worried about such a small problem.

Looks like it's getting bigger:

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Sunday, Sep 30, 2012 08:29 AM PDT
GOP voter form scandal spreads

Suspicious registration forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties
By Natasha Lennard

Problematic voter forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties, reported the New York Times Sunday. The forms are linked to Strategic Alliance Consulting, a group that was hired by the state Republican Party to sign up new voters, but was fired last week as reports of suspicious forms first surfaced in numerous Florida counties.
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You were saying?

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>We shouldn't be worried about such a small problem.

Looks like it's getting bigger:

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Sunday, Sep 30, 2012 08:29 AM PDT
GOP voter form scandal spreads

Suspicious registration forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties
By Natasha Lennard

Problematic voter forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties, reported the New York Times Sunday. The forms are linked to Strategic Alliance Consulting, a group that was hired by the state Republican Party to sign up new voters, but was fired last week as reports of suspicious forms first surfaced in numerous Florida counties.
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You were saying?

No need to worry. I'm sure it's a really small problem. I doubt it will lead to massive disenfranchisement.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Here's some more non-problems that don't need to be investigated.

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http://mvpproject.org/in-the-news/va-military-absentee-ballots-going-awol-in-2012/

FREDERICKSBURG — A 92 percent drop in absentee-ballot requests by military personnel in Virginia is raising concerns that the Pentagon is failing to carry out a federal voting law.

With only 1,746 military voters in Virginia requesting absentee ballots so far this year — out of 126,251 service members in the state —the Military Voter Protection Project says the system has broken down.

And it’s not just in the Old Dominion. MVPP Executive Director Eric Eversole reports significant declines in absentee-ballot requests by service members across the nation.

Compiling data from Virginia, Florida, North Carolina, Illinois, Ohio, Alaska, Colorado and Nevada, Eversole’s organization found that military families have requested 55,510 absentee ballots so far this year. That’s a sharp decline from the 166,252 sought in those states in 2008.

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I'm sure the requests for Military ballots has nothing to do with this.

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President Barack Obama is trying hard to win veterans, but it looks like they’d prefer a new commander in chief.

The Obama campaign had been hoping that veterans and their families — especially among the post-Sept. 11 generation that served in Iraq and Afghanistan — would be part of their path to victory: They’re a high turn-out demographic and concentrated in battleground states, with nearly 1 million each in North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia, and 1.6 million in Florida.

But recent polls make clear that the president’s campaign is losing the battle. Even as Obama leads in Colorado, Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Mitt Romney is up by double digits among veterans in those states. Nationwide, he’s got a commanding 20-percentage-point lead over Obama and has even overtaken the president with younger veterans.

“It’s no contest,” said Maurice Tamman, a Reuters data news editor who has polled on veterans and the presidential campaign.

Obama’s campaign has been trying to improve on a historical Democratic disadvantage on national security and among veterans by touting the killing of Osama bin Laden, ending Iraq combat operations and winding down the war in Afghanistan. They’ve also been talking up the administration’s attention to veterans’ benefits and efforts spearheaded by first lady Michelle Obama, hoping to appeal not just to the troops but to the spouses and other military family members who have coped with long separations and multiple deployments.

Instead, even as Obama has been gaining in the overall polls, several NBC/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls conducted from Sept. 9-11 had Romney well ahead of Obama among veterans in Florida, Ohio and Virginia. And in Colorado, a poll released Sept. 16 by SurveyUSA and the Denver Post found both veterans and military families supporting Romney over Obama 53 percent to 39 percent in a survey that included third-party candidates.

Back in May, Obama had the lead among Afghanistan and Iraq veterans. But a Reuters/Ipsos poll from September says that’s evaporated, with Romney now up 48 percent to 34 percent.

Obama campaign aides said the slip in the polls needs to be considered alongside recent surveys showing the president ahead of Romney on questions regarding foreign policy, leadership and keeping the country safe from terrorist attacks. In the campaign’s final weeks, Obama will try to close the gap among veterans by pressing Romney over several foreign policy stumbles as well as a lack of specifics on his plans for troops.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81616.html

[billvon 3,116]

And the hits keep coming. Now in Colorado:

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Colo. girl registering ‘only Romney’ voters tied to firm dumped by RNC over fraud

Posted on: 10:16 am, September 28, 2012

. . . FOX31 Denver has confirmed that the young woman seen registering voters outside a Colorado Springs grocery store in a YouTube video, in which she admits to trying to only register voters who support Mitt Romney, was indeed a contract employee of Sproul’s company.

“I’m actually trying to register people for a particular party,” the girl tells a woman in the video, which has been viewed more than 417,000 times. Because we’re out here in support of Romney, actually.”

Strategic Allied Consulting was hired to do voter registration drives in Florida, Virginia, Colorado, North Carolina and Nevada, and had been planning get-out-the-vote drives in Ohio and Wisconsin, Sproul told the Los Angeles Times Thursday.
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But I'm sure it's just one - make that two - no, three bad apples. I am sure we won't see any more now that people are taking a closer look at incidents of GOP election fraud.

[rushmc 23]

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And the hits keep coming. Now in Colorado:

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Colo. girl registering ‘only Romney’ voters tied to firm dumped by RNC over fraud

Posted on: 10:16 am, September 28, 2012

. . . FOX31 Denver has confirmed that the young woman seen registering voters outside a Colorado Springs grocery store in a YouTube video, in which she admits to trying to only register voters who support Mitt Romney, was indeed a contract employee of Sproul’s company.

“I’m actually trying to register people for a particular party,” the girl tells a woman in the video, which has been viewed more than 417,000 times. Because we’re out here in support of Romney, actually.”

Strategic Allied Consulting was hired to do voter registration drives in Florida, Virginia, Colorado, North Carolina and Nevada, and had been planning get-out-the-vote drives in Ohio and Wisconsin, Sproul told the Los Angeles Times Thursday.
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But I'm sure it's just one - make that two - no, three bad apples. I am sure we won't see any more now that people are taking a closer look at incidents of GOP election fraud.

All the more reason to have the voting roles looked at

I dont care which side is cheating

Funny how it is a big deal to the left all of a sudden however

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Sorry, I don't see a problem with this. They were hired as campaign workers for the Romney Campaign and apparently paid by them. If they were being paid by a company that recieved funding from the government, then it's a problem. Registering people to vote is not a bi-partisan activity here and I see no indication of fraud.

[billvon 3,116]

>I dont care which side is cheating

Remember ACORN? You cared a LOT about which side was cheating back then. Your neck must be in very bad shape at this point from all the twisting you've had to do.

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>I dont care which side is cheating

Remember ACORN? You cared a LOT about which side was cheating back then. Your neck must be in very bad shape at this point from all the twisting you've had to do.

Never said I did not care

Nice try

My point is voting need to be as clean as possible

So I dont flip (like you have) depending on which side is accused of cheating

It is called being consistant

Try it some time

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,116]

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:18 AM: "I dont care which side is cheating"

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:31 AM: "Never said I did not care"

Congratulations, a new record.

>It is called being consistant Try it some time

You're better than Colbert some days.

[rushmc 23]

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RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:18 AM: "I dont care which side is cheating"

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:31 AM: "Never said I did not care"

Congratulations, a new record.

>It is called being consistant Try it some time

You're better than Colbert some days.

I do not care which side is cheating

One side is as bad as the other

consistancy

a term not in your vocabulary?

Now

on to your next twister 101 lesson

This one has failed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

So you seem to be arguing that voter fraud investigation and voter roll clean up in FL is a good thing (now)
I agree

I see no difference between what ACORN is known to have done vs the strory you link here

Therefor, what ever states can do to stop anything like this and voter fraud is a good thing

But you and I must disagree with billvon then.

He seems to think it is important when the republicans do it and not when the Dems do it via ACORN

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[matthewcline 0]

Seems more a case of improper labeling, as there is an actual person going to vote, and can vote for who ever they so choose, who cares who has more names on a list.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[jclalor 12]

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So you seem to be arguing that voter fraud investigation and voter roll clean up in FL is a good thing (now)
I agree

I see no difference between what ACORN is known to have done vs the strory you link here

Therefor, what ever states can do to stop anything like this and voter fraud is a good thing

But you and I must disagree with billvon then.

He seems to think it is important when the republicans do it and not when the Dems do it via ACORN

It seems that voter registration fraud and voter fraud at the polls are two very different animals, I don't think they commonly go hand in hand. The first seems somewhat common and is motivated by money for the collector and not the intention of influencing an election. Poll fraud is very rare.

I find it comical that when Acorn did this, it was treated by the right as if Acorn invented voter registration fraud.

When the GOP in Florida comes out and says that after going through millions of voter rolls and claiming to find hundreds of thousands of "questionable" voters, to then have that number culled upon closer examination to less than a hundred fraudulent voters is embarrassing. A waste of money.

[kallend 2,148]

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RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:18 AM: "I dont care which side is cheating"

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:31 AM: "Never said I did not care"

Congratulations, a new record.

>It is called being consistant Try it some time

You're better than Colbert some days.

I do not care which side is cheating

Sure. Your theme:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVFJNcQ4X0

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:18 AM: "I dont care which side is cheating"

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:31 AM: "Never said I did not care"

Congratulations, a new record.

>It is called being consistant Try it some time

You're better than Colbert some days.

I do not care which side is cheating

Sure. Your theme:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVFJNcQ4X0

Been used many times before

you sure have problems keeping up lately

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:18 AM: "I dont care which side is cheating"

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:31 AM: "Never said I did not care"

Congratulations, a new record.

>It is called being consistant Try it some time

You're better than Colbert some days.

I do not care which side is cheating

Sure. Your theme:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVFJNcQ4X0

Been used many times before

you sure have problems keeping up lately

1. Where did I claim originality?

2. You set the DZ.COM record for contradicting yourself in less time than anyone previously managed.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:18 AM: "I dont care which side is cheating"

RushMC, Oct 1, 2012, 9:31 AM: "Never said I did not care"

Congratulations, a new record.

>It is called being consistant Try it some time

You're better than Colbert some days.

I do not care which side is cheating

Sure. Your theme:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqVFJNcQ4X0

Been used many times before

you sure have problems keeping up lately

1. Where did I claim originality?

2. You set the DZ.COM record for contradicting yourself in less time than anyone previously managed.

So making the claim that I dont care which side is cheating is setting some kind of record cause I think it is equally as bad?

You must be a teaching in the billvon school of twisting

That figures

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

Pathetic!

You were caught fair and square in a contradiction. Everyone knows it. Stop weaseling.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.