Obama's UN Speech

[rushmc 23]

If, during his speech today at the UN, Obama references the video as the cause of the violence and murders at our embassy, the world laughter will be measured on the Richter scale.

It was reported on ABC radio news this AM (when I was on my way to work) that this is part of his speech

I hope he does not because I do not want any US president to look that stupid. Not even Obama

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,151]

I hope Mitt makes no further ignorant references to aircraft windows in his speeches. I wouldn't want the world to think a US presidential candidate could be THAT stupid.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[DanG 1]

Do you realize that there were violent protests in multiple Muslim countries, not just in Bengazi, Libya?

- Dan G

[RonD1120 62]

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If, during his speech today at the UN, Obama references the video as the cause of the violence and murders at our embassy, the world laughter will be measured on the Richter scale.

It was reported on ABC radio news this AM (when I was on my way to work) that this is part of his speech

I hope he does not because I do not want any US president to look that stupid. Not even Obama

He will look good to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

Are you aware that Obama has killed way more al Qaeda and Taliban leaders than Bush?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Do you realize that there were violent protests in multiple Muslim countries, not just in Bengazi, Libya?

Of course I am


Which is even more reason not to make himself and the US look stupid

The world see's enough evidence to know that these so called protests were a coordinated effort on 911

So say otherwise does him no good at this point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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I hope Mitt makes no further ignorant references to aircraft windows in his speeches. I wouldn't want the world to think a US presidential candidate could be THAT stupid.

Your need to now compare murders and attacks on our country to lack of mechanical understanding exposes you sufficiently enough at this point

Please put down the shovel and back away while you still can

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

I think we've seen evidence that the attack on the consulate was coordinated. We've also seen evidence that the protesters around the world were whipped into a frenzy about a video that virtually none of them had seen. I don't think there is any evidence that all of the protests across the world were coordinated to cover up for an attack on a small American consulate in Libya, which is what you seem to be implying.

Either way, I see nothing wrong with continuing to distance the American people and government from this video. I also realize that no matter what Obama actually says, you and your ideological leaders will spin it into an appeasement of radical Islam, and a gesture of weakness.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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I think we've seen evidence that the attack on the consulate was coordinated. We've also seen evidence that the protesters around the world were whipped into a frenzy about a video that virtually none of them had seen. I don't think there is any evidence that all of the protests across the world were coordinated to cover up for an attack on a small American consulate in Libya, which is what you seem to be implying.

Either way, I see nothing wrong with continuing to distance the American people and government from this video. I also realize that no matter what Obama actually says, you and your ideological leaders will spin it into an appeasement of radical Islam, and a gesture of weakness.

I was reading your responce with interest until you throw the lefty insult of someome being told what to think by their leaders


I think for myself

You should try it sometime

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

I didn't say that you're told what to think. I said that everyone on your side will spin anything Obama says into appeasement and weakness. Read what I said again. You assumed the part about being told what to think. Here, I'll quote it for you:

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I also realize that no matter what Obama actually says, you and your ideological leaders will spin it into an appeasement of radical Islam, and a gesture of weakness.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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I also realize that no matter what Obama actually says, you and your ideological leaders will spin it into an appeasement of radical Islam, and a gesture of weakness.

Whatever

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Are you now claiming that your party doesn't have any ideological leaders? Or are you claiming to be one of those leaders? Better yet, are you claiming that your screen name doesn't refer to someone from whom you take ideological guidance?

But back to the topic. Do you believe that Obama should not mention the video, or if he does mention the video, what should be say about it?

- Dan G

[shah269 0]

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I think we've seen evidence that the attack on the consulate was coordinated. We've also seen evidence that the protesters around the world were whipped into a frenzy about a video that virtually none of them had seen. I don't think there is any evidence that all of the protests across the world were coordinated to cover up for an attack on a small American consulate in Libya, which is what you seem to be implying.

Either way, I see nothing wrong with continuing to distance the American people and government from this video. I also realize that no matter what Obama actually says, you and your ideological leaders will spin it into an appeasement of radical Islam, and a gesture of weakness.

Dan very well put very well put.

I just spent a week of lectures on the middle east and the numbers are truly amazing!

The poverty level is staggering, the illiteracy levels are even more astounding and though many of these nations are rich with resources they are suffering from amazing stagflation!
And this kind of “release” is seen by the leaders of the country as a good way to release tensions. Since it has been their MO to lay blame on the feet of all others rather than taking the blame on themselves.

Furthermore, the amazing part in all this is Iran. Iran actually has the highest literacy rate in the middle east! And yet it’s all quiet in Tehran. Which before you say anything…is very scary for them. They need this outrage to justify their position of power but if there is no outrage at the west then there will be outrage directs to within.

I have no clue what the president will say or not say. I hope he will condemn violence, remind people of the power of the US by mentioning the death of Osama and give Iran a stern warning regarding nuclear weapons.

For its part I expect Iran’s president to babble on and on and on about the tyranny of the US to appease the internal strife within the Iranian power machine.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

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[rushmc 23]

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Are you now claiming that your party doesn't have any ideological leaders? Or are you claiming to be one of those leaders? Better yet, are you claiming that your screen name doesn't refer to someone from whom you take ideological guidance?

But back to the topic. Do you believe that Obama should not mention the video, or if he does mention the video, what should be say about it?

No

I am claiming my thoughts are my own regarless of who YOU think are these so called leaders

And no

I do not think Obama should mention the video

It had nothing to do with what happened and is an excuse the Admin is using when it ignored the warnings that there were given. Warnings that if listened to may have saved the lives of 4 people

But, in the end he will mention it

All he ever has is excuses

Maybe he will find a way to blame Bush for this too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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It had nothing to do with what happened...

In Bengazi, the video was a cover story, essentially. That's true.

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...and is an excuse the Admin is using when it ignored the warnings that there were given. Warnings that if listened to may have saved the lives of 4 people

Everything I've seen indicated that there were no credible, specific threats regarding the consulate in Bengazi. If you've seen something otherwise, I'd love to have a look.

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But, in the end he will mention it

Ignoring it would be silly, given the worldwide protests that have taken dozens of non-US lives. The video is still being used as an excuse for radicals to whip people into a frenzy. The responsible thing for Obama to do is to continue to distance the US from this video, while denouncing the continuing violence. I hope he does just that.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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It had nothing to do with what happened...

In Bengazi, the video was a cover story, essentially. That's true.

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...and is an excuse the Admin is using when it ignored the warnings that there were given. Warnings that if listened to may have saved the lives of 4 people

Everything I've seen indicated that there were no credible, specific threats regarding the consulate in Bengazi. If you've seen something otherwise, I'd love to have a look.

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But, in the end he will mention it

Ignoring it would be silly, given the worldwide protests that have taken dozens of non-US lives. The video is still being used as an excuse for radicals to whip people into a frenzy. The responsible thing for Obama to do is to continue to distance the US from this video, while denouncing the continuing violence. I hope he does just that.

If the video had anythng to do with all of this I could agree with

It is very clear it did not

The admin had three days warning this was coming

It was planned and because the admin did nothing, 4 people are dead who maybe did not need to die

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

8.0 on the scale

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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8.0 on the idiocy scale

FIFY By the way, you do realize you're talking to yourself, don't you?

Don

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[rushmc 23]

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8.0 on the idiocy scale

FIFY By the way, you do realize you're talking to yourself, don't you?

Don

Huh?

You replied

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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The admin had three days warning this was coming

Where did you find this out?

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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The admin had three days warning this was coming

Where did you find this out?

It was in the news shortly after the attack

Here is a google search of the warning

http://www.google.com/#q=embassy+three+days+warning&hl=en&safe=active&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=sO9hUKnWNsi9qAH2nYHgAg&sqi=2&ved=0CAoQ_AUoBA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=feb80fe934d63b60&biw=1680&bih=885

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Um, the intel cable you're talking about warned of possible violence because of the internet video. If you can recall your own position, you believe the video had nothing to do with the attack in Bengazi. I stand by my position that the US had no intel about an attack on the consulate in Bengazi. General intel that there may be regional protests about an internet video is not the same as intel regarding a planned attack on a specific consulate. There was no warning that al Qaeda was planning to murder the US Ambassador. At least none that the general public is currently aware of.

If you'd like to switch your position about the relation between the video and the attack, maybe your stances will be less contradictory.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Um, the intel cable you're talking about warned of possible violence because of the internet video. If you can recall your own position, you believe the video had nothing to do with the attack in Bengazi. I stand by my position that the US had no intel about an attack on the consulate in Bengazi. General intel that there may be regional protests about an internet video is not the same as intel regarding a planned attack on a specific consulate. There was no warning that al Qaeda was planning to murder the US Ambassador. At least none that the general public is currently aware of.

If you'd like to switch your position about the relation between the video and the attack, maybe your stances will be less contradictory.

Well that is an intersting way to go about your point

Fact is, they were warned of planned violence. The journal of the murdered ambassador also indicates that the state dept and the admin had credible warning of violence

I guess you think that since there was nothing specific as murder lets them off the hook

You can if you want to

4 people are dead because of inaction by the admin


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=active&sa=X&ei=wPJhUKvGGOmoyAGAqYGoCw&ved=0CBoQvwUoAQ&q=cnn+releases+of+murdered+ambassador&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=1868d924740104b&biw=1680&bih=885

The video is nothing but a get out of jail lie for the admin IMO

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

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Fact is, they were warned of planned violence. The journal of the murdered ambassador also indicates that the state dept and the admin had credible warning of violence

They were warned of regional unrest and violent protest. They were absolutely not warned of an al Qaeda plot against the consulate in Bengazi. To suggest otherwise is completely ridiculous.

Furthermore, if the Ambassador's journal indicated he knew of the potential for violence, how can you say that inaction by the Administration is to blame? The Ambassador was apparently warned. What else should Obama have done? I know you didn't believe me when I explained that the Ambassador is in charge of the mission in a foreign country, but it's true. If he felt like he was in danger, he had the resources he needed to protect himself.

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The video is nothing but a get out of jail lie for the admin IMO

This warning you keep talking about was about the video. Your position makes absolutely no sense.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Fact is, they were warned of planned violence. The journal of the murdered ambassador also indicates that the state dept and the admin had credible warning of violence

They were warned of regional unrest and violent protest. They were absolutely not warned of an al Qaeda plot against the consulate in Bengazi. To suggest otherwise is completely ridiculous.

Furthermore, if the Ambassador's journal indicated he knew of the potential for violence, how can you say that inaction by the Administration is to blame? The Ambassador was apparently warned. What else should Obama have done? I know you didn't believe me when I explained that the Ambassador is in charge of the mission in a foreign country, but it's true. If he felt like he was in danger, he had the resources he needed to protect himself.

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The video is nothing but a get out of jail lie for the admin IMO

This warning you keep talking about was about the video. Your position makes absolutely no sense.

No

You make no sense

The warning was NOT about any video and had nothing to do with any video.

And I guess you think that even though the ambassador felt threatened he would say nothing to the State Dept?

Really?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln