Coreece 190 #26 September 12, 2012 Quote55.8% - that's failing in school. 54.4% go on to college. These are not numbers to be proud of. What difference does it make...you could have 100% college grads and they'd still be out flat on their ass or sucking the government teat due to the lack of employment.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #27 September 12, 2012 Quote I, for one think we should recognize the efforts of the Chicago teachers and commend their record of success. 6 out of 10 actually graduate and 6 out of 100 eventually graduate from college. Impressive to be sure. Having large class sizes and un-airconditioned classrooms certainly contributes. Improving classroom conditions for the teachers also improves conditions for the students.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #28 September 12, 2012 Quote I, for one think we should recognize the efforts of the Chicago teachers and commend their record of success. 6 out of 10 actually graduate and 6 out of 100 eventually graduate from college. Impressive to be sure. And whose fault is that? Don't you think a student's home has a big influence on this? Have you ever tried to produce beautiful finished furniture out of wood that is filled with knots and rot. It's pretty damn tough. More people should try working as a teacher in todays overcrowded class rooms. You'd have a whole new perspective on the problem..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #29 September 12, 2012 Quote Quote I, for one think we should recognize the efforts of the Chicago teachers and commend their record of success. 6 out of 10 actually graduate and 6 out of 100 eventually graduate from college. Impressive to be sure. And whose fault is that? Don't you think a student's home has a big influence on this? Have you ever tried to produce beautiful finished furniture out of wood that is filled with knots and rot. It's pretty damn tough. More people should try working as a teacher in todays overcrowded class rooms. You'd have a whole new perspective on the problem..... i would love a job i could not be fired from and not have to produce anything measurable. oh and get paid full time for working part time. I'm being sarcastic, i like my job and would find reading from an outline and basically babysitting all day boring. if i didnt like my job or they turned off my AC i would quit and find another. i could do that because i provide a measurable value to my employer. edited to add: my nasty tone is directed at the teachers union. i dont dislike teachers and am quite fond of many i had. I truly feel they were a positive impact on my life and am very proud of my private school education."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #30 September 12, 2012 http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois/rankings Strange how the top 4 high schools in Illinois are in Chicago. So some of them get it right.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #31 September 12, 2012 Quotehttp://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois/rankings Strange how the top 4 high schools in Illinois are in Chicago. So some of them get it right. Yep, the "college prep" schools get a disproportionate share of resources, smaller class sizes, and better teacher contracts. Funny how the school board's administrative employees work in air conditioned buildings, while the teachers and kids don't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #32 September 12, 2012 I grew up going to school in FLORIDA with no a/c until high school. What's the problem again? I know TONS of folks that never work in an air conditioned environment. That's not a strike worthy reason IMO. As an aside, school administrations are generally part of the issues that schools are facing. They're top heavy for no good reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #33 September 12, 2012 QuoteI grew up going to school in FLORIDA with no a/c until high school. Aren't you glad you lived into the 20th Century. Tell me, did you have summers off?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #34 September 13, 2012 Nope. Worked in orange groves with the Mexicans in the summer! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #35 September 13, 2012 Quote Quote I, for one think we should recognize the efforts of the Chicago teachers and commend their record of success. 6 out of 10 actually graduate and 6 out of 100 eventually graduate from college. Impressive to be sure. Having large class sizes and un-airconditioned classrooms certainly contributes. Improving classroom conditions for the teachers also improves conditions for the students. Not necessarily. While it is true that grossly obese people have difficulty in maintain a proper body temperature, it appears that the preponderance of the grossly obese is clearly the faculty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #36 September 13, 2012 Nothing new here; just another subset of people who believe they need to be exempted from fiscal responsibility. A free set of Cadillac-level benefits is a distant memory in the real world. This is another group with the as-long-as-it-isn't-me syndrome. And what's with the A/C argument? Joking right? I never even attended a school with A/C." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #37 September 13, 2012 Quotehttp://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois/rankings Strange how the top 4 high schools in Illinois are in Chicago. So some of them get it right. There's probably many reasons for that.... Some schools do nothing but prepare for the test all year. They will skip any important fundamentals that kids need, if it's not on the test. Many schools cheat on this test. This cheating is encouraged by some administrators. Sure, they can fire you for that. But they can also fire you if your test scores are not high enough. Sometimes this cheating is not easily detected. It could be that these schools have a higher percentage of normal kids. This is a huge deciding factor in how well they learn. Kids who are well adjusted absorb knowledge like a sponge. It's easy to teach kids like that. On the contrary many troubled kids can not even concentrate in school. Many, many, of these kids have huge anger problems. They are disrupting the school environment. It's obvious that this news article is sleezy journalism. After all sensationalism sells more news papers. The media is trying to paint a picture of lazy, fat, worthless, teachers who are greedy as hell. If they can get people wound up and thinking emotionally, this will sell even more newspapers. Don't be so easily manipulated by the media! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandi 0 #38 September 13, 2012 QuoteQuotehttp://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/illinois/rankings Strange how the top 4 high schools in Illinois are in Chicago. So some of them get it right. There's probably many reasons for that.... Some schools do nothing but prepare for the test all year. They will skip any important fundamentals that kids need, if it's not on the test. Many schools cheat on this test. This cheating is encouraged by some administrators. Sure, they can fire you for that. But they can also fire you if your test scores are not high enough. Sometimes this cheating is not easily detected. It could be that these schools have a higher percentage of normal kids. This is a huge deciding factor in how well they learn. Kids who are well adjusted absorb knowledge like a sponge. It's easy to teach kids like that. On the contrary many troubled kids can not even concentrate in school. Many, many, of these kids have huge anger problems. They are disrupting the school environment. It's obvious that this news article is sleezy journalism. After all sensationalism sells more news papers. The media is trying to paint a picture of lazy, fat, worthless, teachers who are greedy as hell. If they can get people wound up and thinking emotionally, this will sell even more newspapers. Don't be so easily manipulated by the media! Also, keep in mind that those college prep high schools in Chicago are "selective enrollment" - the kids are tested to get in. It's not hard to get high test scores when you only take the smart kids. It is very different teaching classes of smart kids who are planning on going to college as opposed to a typical neighborhood Chicago school with a full range of abilities (or lack of abilities). . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #39 September 13, 2012 Quote And what's with the A/C argument? Joking right? I never even attended a school with A/C. My dad never had a cell phone. He drove without a GPS in a car with no A/C. I can't see why anyone would need such things. People who want cell phones and air conditioned cars are joking, right? Jeez, my great grandfather didn't even have electricity in his house - another luxury! And I hear that in the 19th Century they didn't even have air travel. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #40 September 13, 2012 Sounds like you should start a union. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #41 September 13, 2012 Quote Sounds like you should start a union. No, I have an air conditioned workplace already and my employer hasn't reneged on my contract.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 September 13, 2012 QuoteQuote And what's with the A/C argument? Joking right? I never even attended a school with A/C. My dad never had a cell phone. He drove without a GPS in a car with no A/C. I can't see why anyone would need such things. People who want cell phones and air conditioned cars are joking, right? Jeez, my great grandfather didn't even have electricity in his house - another luxury! And I hear that in the 19th Century they didn't even have air travel. The vehicle I drive eveyday has none of what you list and neither does it have cruise control Whats your bitch?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 September 13, 2012 Quote Sounds like you should start a union. He needs to walk out in solidarity and walk the lines with the rest of the teachers"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #44 September 14, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I, for one think we should recognize the efforts of the Chicago teachers and commend their record of success. 6 out of 10 actually graduate and 6 out of 100 eventually graduate from college. Impressive to be sure. And whose fault is that? Don't you think a student's home has a big influence on this? Have you ever tried to produce beautiful finished furniture out of wood that is filled with knots and rot. It's pretty damn tough. More people should try working as a teacher in todays overcrowded class rooms. You'd have a whole new perspective on the problem..... i would love a job i could not be fired from and not have to produce anything measurable. oh and get paid full time for working part time. I'm being sarcastic, i like my job and would find reading from an outline and basically babysitting all day boring. if i didnt like my job or they turned off my AC i would quit and find another. i could do that because i provide a measurable value to my employer. edited to add: my nasty tone is directed at the teachers union. i dont dislike teachers and am quite fond of many i had. I truly feel they were a positive impact on my life and am very proud of my private school education. Nice slur based on ignorance of what the teachers are concerned about. 160 Chicago public schools have no library, while others have libraries, swimming pools, choir, band and orchestra. 125 schools have no guidance counselor while others have several. Schools in wealthy neighborhoods like Lincoln Park are allocated way more resources than schools on the south and west sides in gang infested neighborhoods. Yet the school board wants all teachers to be evaluated according to a single metric that takes no account of the disparity in resources or the background of the kids (whether from a north side mansion or a single parent public housing background). Is your productivity affected in any way by the resources your employer provides? Would you perform as well if you had only a dial-up internet connection and a text-only IBM PC-XT to work with?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #45 September 14, 2012 So the Chicago Teacher's Union is striking in an effort to fix our socio-economic challenges in inner cities! Man I have known this was an issue since I was in junior high school. Sounds like inner city Chicago needs to pay more taxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #46 September 14, 2012 Quote So the Chicago Teacher's Union is striking in an effort to fix our socio-economic challenges in inner cities! Man I have known this was an issue since I was in junior high school. Sounds like inner city Chicago needs to pay more taxes. Why don't you find out what they are discussing with the school board instead of making snide comments. Oh, right, that would take some effort.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 September 14, 2012 Why don't you find out what they are discussing with the school board instead of making snide comments. Oh, right, that would take some effort. Oh the irony"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #48 September 14, 2012 Every time I do that someone points out the folly of my efforts with the unacceptable sources for information. Apparently I cannot trust local Chicago news sources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #49 September 14, 2012 QuoteEvery time I do that someone points out the folly of my efforts with the unacceptable sources for information. Apparently I cannot trust local Chicago news sources. NPR has covered it very accurately.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #50 September 14, 2012 I love NPR, so I've heard a lot there too. Yes I make snide remarks. Personally I think the strike is idiotic. I'm on the fence regarding unions as a whole anyway. Especially when an upcoming strike WILL affect us personally. I am not looking forward to crossing the picket lines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites