Rstanley0312 1 #1 September 10, 2012 This whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city and were being offered a raise in this economy. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund#Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #2 September 10, 2012 If you left college with $150K in student loans to be a teacher, knowing the pay scales, you're too stupid to be a teacher. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #3 September 10, 2012 QuoteThis whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city. It is indeed a national disgrace that teachers are so poorly compensated in most US cities.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #4 September 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city. It is indeed a national disgrace that teachers are so poorly compensated in most US cities. You could argue that most jobs are "poorly compensated". The bottom line is most have been taking pay cuts and these teachers are getting a raise but because it isn't ig enough to them they strike. Who is greedy in this situation?Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #5 September 10, 2012 Quote The union said the two sides are close on compensation after school officials had offered a deal that would increase salaries 16% over four years. The average teacher salary in Chicago was $74,839 for the 2011-2012 school year, according to the district. Man I need to join a union. I haven't seen raises like that in YEARS! I've had some very good raises too.... also curious why their healthcare coverage is an issue in the negotiations....I thought somebody fixed that little issue already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #6 September 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city. It is indeed a national disgrace that teachers are so poorly compensated in most US cities. You could argue that most jobs are "poorly compensated". The bottom line is most have been taking pay cuts and these teachers are getting a raise but because it isn't ig enough to them they strike. Who is greedy in this situation? You might want to read a less biased source than NR Online. The big disagreement is not about pay. The Chicago Tribune has more reliable information.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #7 September 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city. It is indeed a national disgrace that teachers are so poorly compensated in most US cities. You could argue that most jobs are "poorly compensated". The bottom line is most have been taking pay cuts and these teachers are getting a raise but because it isn't ig enough to them they strike. Who is greedy in this situation? You might want to read a less biased source than NR Online. The big disagreement is not about pay. The Chicago Tribune has more reliable information. On NPR the lady who is the Spokesperson for the Union said, on pay they see eye to eye, on the Health Benefits and retirement, they do not (City wants to provide less $ for the same coverage and ask the Teachers to help pay?) and this is the reason for the strike. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #8 September 10, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote This whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city. It is indeed a national disgrace that teachers are so poorly compensated in most US cities. You could argue that most jobs are "poorly compensated". The bottom line is most have been taking pay cuts and these teachers are getting a raise but because it isn't ig enough to them they strike. Who is greedy in this situation? You might want to read a less biased source than NR Online. The big disagreement is not about pay. The Chicago Tribune has more reliable information. On NPR the lady who is the Spokesperson for the Union said, on pay they see eye to eye, on the Health Benefits and retirement, they do not (City wants to provide less $ for the same coverage and ask the Teachers to help pay?) and this is the reason for the strike. Matt That's crazy... you mean they would have to help pay for their own healthcare? Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #9 September 10, 2012 I thought that's what the gooberment is for! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #10 September 10, 2012 So having been shown to be quite wrong on your first line of attack, you try a second. Perhaps you should just quit reading NR Online.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 September 10, 2012 QuoteThis whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city and were being offered a raise in this economy. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/316395/chicago-bled-dry-striking-teachers-unions-john-fund# It is a set up Obama will solve this in less than a week"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 September 10, 2012 This is dealing with a massive issue - future benefits. Look at Cali - the California State Teachers Retirement Service. In April, 2011, CalSTRS reported that it had projected a $56 billion underfunding. Some people view that teachers are underpaid for the work that they do. However, in California the stats are that the usual retiree who starts pulling STRS benefits is 62 and receives 60% of the maximum yearly pay from the pension. STRS has $150 billion in the fund. That'll last it 30 years. Employee contributions to CalSTRS haven't increased since 1972. I think in Chicago, they are seeing that there is a breakdown in teachers wanting promises that the mayor knows cannot be kept. Increasing the benefits is a long-term cost. Right now in Cali, STRS and the unions are looking for legislation to have taxpayer money pay for the promises. It's interesting to see Rahm Emmanuel looking at these choices to be made. Perhaps Rahm is looking at it as an issue that can no longer be passed forward to the future. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #13 September 10, 2012 We have a gooberment division that takes over pensions for corporations that can no longer afford to support them. I'm always wondering how much longer that group will exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #14 September 10, 2012 One thing's for sure. A teachers' strike in Obama's hometown a few weeks before the election is an early Christmas present for Republicans.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #15 September 10, 2012 Quote I think in Chicago, they are seeing that there is a breakdown in teachers wanting promises that the mayor knows cannot be kept. Increasing the benefits is a long-term cost. 1. Chicago isn't California - the issues are NOT the same. 2. Teachers aren't asking for benefit increases. They are asking that existing benefits aren't removed. 3. The Chicago BOE reneged on the last teacher's contract. This left a sour taste. 4. The main sticking point is working conditions. Chicago schools have absurdly large class sizes, and many schools on minority neighborhoods have poor facilities (like no A/C). Very few professionals would work in a Chicago climate without A/C but teachers (and their students) are expected to. As far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority of parents support the teachers in this.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 September 10, 2012 QuoteAs far as I can tell, the overwhelming majority of parents support the teachers in this. Then why aren't the parents just pitching in, thus bypassing the city government. In the end, the money comes from them anyway. This way they cut out the middleman. (OOOPS - that would be too much like the parents choosing their own kids' education. Or even, school choice.) Too bad the teachers don't have the option to go work in a private school where competition would allow the best teachers to make the best pay and benefits. yeah, ...... that would suck ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #17 September 11, 2012 But there's no way to measure teacher performance!!! Now pay them more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 September 11, 2012 Quote . Chicago isn't California - the issues are NOT the same Oh, I believe they are pretty similar - just not nearly so messy as in Cali. Quote Teachers aren't asking for benefit increases. They are asking that existing benefits aren't removed. No - they are seeking a continuation of the Bush Era benefits increases. (Sorry - had to turn that argument this way ) My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #19 September 11, 2012 Over the years we've allowed teacher's unions too much control...According to CNN the main points the union is arguing are the same ones that people who live in the real world find lauighable. Compensation and health care benefits An increase of 4% per year over the next 4 years. 16% increase in pay. We who live in the real world laugh at this. ...funding that will freeze all employee health care contributions for single and couple plans with a small increase in family contributions of no more than $20 a pay period in addition to a small increase in emergency room co-pays," Again...$20 per pay period is laughable. Most of us out here in the real world pay $20 per day for insurance. Job security I'd love some job security...any at all. Once more the real world chuckles at the union's demands. New teacher evaluation system I can only imagine the reation of real world employers if I was to tell them that I don't agree with the system they use to evaluate my job performance. I don't think you'll find too many hard working Chicagoans who are sympathetic to the cause. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #20 September 11, 2012 Quote Quote . Chicago isn't California - the issues are NOT the same Oh, I believe they are pretty similar - just not nearly so messy as in Cali. Quote Teachers aren't asking for benefit increases. They are asking that existing benefits aren't removed. No - they are seeking a continuation of the Bush Era benefits increases. (Sorry - had to turn that argument this way ) Lame even for a lawyer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #21 September 11, 2012 > Very few professionals would work in a Chicago climate without A/C but teachers (and their students) are expected to. Agreed, very few professionals would work in those conditions. But that has nothing to do with it, not apples to apples. teachers are not professionals. they are labor. this is evidenced by the fact they are in a union and on strike."The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #22 September 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis whole thing is unreal.... They are the highest paid in any city. It is indeed a national disgrace that teachers are so poorly compensated in most US cities. Judging from the video and pictures I have seen, it at least looks like they EAT WELL! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #23 September 11, 2012 With an average salary of approximately $75,000 - eating well shouldn't be an issue. I don't necessarily agree that's actually what they're doing - but I get it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #24 September 12, 2012 I, for one think we should recognize the efforts of the Chicago teachers and commend their record of success. 6 out of 10 actually graduate and 6 out of 100 eventually graduate from college. Impressive to be sure. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #25 September 12, 2012 55.8% - that's failing in school. 54.4% go on to college. These are not numbers to be proud of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
