brenthutch 444 #1 August 30, 2012 http://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-08/gm-to-halt-making-chevy-volt-analyst-blog.aspx?storyid=168382 To retool to make their FULL SIZED sedan the Impala! What ever happened to the "smart cars and plug-in hybrids that Americans want"? RAOTFLMAO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #2 August 30, 2012 Yep. Meanwhile, the target average fuel economy standards were just announced to average fuel economy of 54.5 mpg by 2025 (up from 28.6 mpg last year). It was negotiated by the Gubment, the automakers and unions. (Yep - unions negotiate these things because average mpg are an important gauge of working conditions, wages and benefits). Of course, they'll exempt pickups and SUVs. At least until 2020. So the target will be closer to 40 mpg. Retooling the Volt plant on the heels of this agreement gives the definite impression that the new standards aren't what they say they are. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 August 30, 2012 Or...business as usual with business...ignore the targets until the due date and then claim they are a financial hardship in order to delay them again.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 August 30, 2012 Quotehttp://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-08/gm-to-halt-making-chevy-volt-analyst-blog.aspx?storyid=168382 To retool to make their FULL SIZED sedan the Impala! What ever happened to the "smart cars and plug-in hybrids that Americans want"? RAOTFLMAO HEY You better think you want them Thats what the government wants!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #5 August 30, 2012 ...meanwhile Arctic sea ice hit a new record low for the 4th consecutive day, and is likely to hit another new record low today.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #6 August 30, 2012 Quotehttp://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-08/gm-to-halt-making-chevy-volt-analyst-blog.aspx?storyid=168382 To retool to make their FULL SIZED sedan the Impala! What ever happened to the "smart cars and plug-in hybrids that Americans want"? RAOTFLMAO www.freep.com/article/20120829/BUSINESS0101/120829079/Chevy-Volt-broke-monthly-sales-record-in-August?odyssey=nav%7Chead "Chevy Volt broke monthly sales record in August as GM hails EV's momentum"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #7 August 30, 2012 QuoteYep. Meanwhile, the target average fuel economy standards were just announced to average fuel economy of 54.5 mpg by 2025 (up from 28.6 mpg last year). It was negotiated by the Gubment, the automakers and unions. (Yep - unions negotiate these things because average mpg are an important gauge of working conditions, wages and benefits). Of course, they'll exempt pickups and SUVs. At least until 2020. So the target will be closer to 40 mpg. Can car drivers sue for equal protection? Although I like small cars by contemporary standards (think 1 series and A3 now that the 3 and A4 have grown to 5 and A6 dimensions) I still want SUV engine capacity and power (or more). While I hope to have made enough millions by 2025 that I can buy cars made by up-market companies that don't care about such things I'm not counting on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 August 30, 2012 Yes. And the coal-powered power plants that power Electric Vehicles have a lot to do with it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #9 August 30, 2012 So how's GM doing these days since we own a portion of them???? How much have they actually repaid?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 August 30, 2012 Quote So how's GM doing these days since we own a portion of them???? Last I heard, taxpayers had lost about $28 billion on the deal.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 August 30, 2012 QuoteQuotehttp://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-08/gm-to-halt-making-chevy-volt-analyst-blog.aspx?storyid=168382 To retool to make their FULL SIZED sedan the Impala! What ever happened to the "smart cars and plug-in hybrids that Americans want"? RAOTFLMAO www.freep.com/article/20120829/BUSINESS0101/120829079/Chevy-Volt-broke-monthly-sales-record-in-August?odyssey=nav%7Chead "Chevy Volt broke monthly sales record in August as GM hails EV's momentum" They sold 2 this month??? Wow"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #12 August 30, 2012 >To retool to make their FULL SIZED sedan the Impala! And then restarting production of the Volt in a few weeks. Good thing you neglected to post that or it would have made your post look rather silly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #13 August 30, 2012 QuoteQuote So how's GM doing these days since we own a portion of them???? Last I heard, taxpayers had lost about $28 billion on the deal. And the non union employees that lost their retirment will go on welfare some day too adding to the cost Of course, this was ONLY about the unions"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #14 August 30, 2012 >Yep. Meanwhile, the target average fuel economy standards were just announced >to average fuel economy of 54.5 mpg by 2025 . . . . Good. We have just started to become independent of foreign oil. The only way we will stay independent is to increase fuel efficiency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #15 August 30, 2012 >Can car drivers sue for equal protection? Equal protection for what? You'll still be able to get any size car you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #16 August 30, 2012 Quote>Can car drivers sue for equal protection? Equal protection for what? Equal protection under the law, as in an end to roadway racism, SUV supremacy, and oppression of a motor vehicle minority. QuoteYou'll still be able to get any size car you want. But not with bigger thirstier engines the car companies will still be allowed to sell SUV drivers. A world where some passenger vehicles are more equal than others because their makers have bribed legislators for favorable legal treatment is just wrong. If 54.5 MPG is a good goal the standard should apply to _all_ passenger vehicles sold for personal use and not exempt a class of vehicles which has historically made up over half the market. If 40 MPG or whatever would otherwise result is good enough that should be the number for everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #17 August 30, 2012 >Equal protection under the law, as in an end to roadway racism and SUV supremacy >and oppression of a motor vehicle minority. I like "roadway racism!" Forcing those minority vehicles to drive in the back of the lane. >But not with bigger thirstier engines the car companies will still be allowed to sell SUV drivers. Sure they will. We have CAFE requirements now, and still the Viper V10 has a 512 cubic inch engine. Do any SUV's have an engine that big? The Tesla Roadster has one of the highest energy efficiencies on the road today. How many SUV's can beat its 0-60 time? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #18 August 30, 2012 QuoteYes. And the coal-powered power plants that power Electric Vehicles have a lot to do with it. One of your lamer comments.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #19 August 30, 2012 Quotehttp://community.nasdaq.com/News/2012-08/gm-to-halt-making-chevy-volt-analyst-blog.aspx?storyid=168382 To retool to make their FULL SIZED sedan the Impala! What ever happened to the "smart cars and plug-in hybrids that Americans want"? RAOTFLMAO Go drill in Ogoni country. The natives will surely give your anti-renewable message a warm welcome. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #20 August 30, 2012 >Yes. And the coal-powered power plants that power Electric Vehicles have a lot >to do with it. Interesting post: 1) Agreed, CO2 emissions do have a lot to do with arctic warming and resultant loss of ice. 2) In terms of overall CO2 emissions, the best you can do for transportation is solar to EV. There is CO2 involved in the production of the solar power system and car (as there is for any source of power or transportation) but once that is "paid" there is no further cost in carbon emissions. 3) Comparing an average small car (Honda Civic) to an average 100% grid charged EV*: 38% more CO2 from the gas powered car. Comparing an average small car to a 100% coal charged EV**: 10% more CO2 from the gas powered car. So overall gas powered cars have more to do with it. As power sources get cleaner that will become more and more true. (* - assuming standard US power mix) (** - I don't know where you can find a utility that produces 100% of its power from coal, but presumably one exists somewhere.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #21 August 30, 2012 You know I fall with Bill to a degree on this one. I really don't understand why we don't have a rolling goal for mileage. .05% to a 1% averaged. When we try to make these big jumps we get all sorts of push back from the car companies Wonder what a VW beetle would be if we had improved at a 1% average......Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #22 August 30, 2012 >Wonder what a VW beetle would be if we had improved at a 1% average...... Going from the 1967 model (29mpg) nowadays we'd have a Beetle that got 45mpg. Given that we have a few cars nowadays that can hit 45mpg, 1% a year probably isn't too unreasonable a goal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #23 August 30, 2012 Quote Or...business as usual with business...ignore the targets until the due date and then claim they are a financial hardship in order to delay them again. Rather than MPG targets why not just start phasing out oil subsidies? Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #24 August 30, 2012 Quote Quote Or...business as usual with business...ignore the targets until the due date and then claim they are a financial hardship in order to delay them again. Rather than MPG targets why not just start phasing out oil subsidies? Or we could follow Reagan and some other smart old-time Republicans and have a cap-and-trade on CO2 emissions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 August 30, 2012 Quote>Wonder what a VW beetle would be if we had improved at a 1% average...... Going from the 1967 model (29mpg) nowadays we'd have a Beetle that got 45mpg. Given that we have a few cars nowadays that can hit 45mpg, 1% a year probably isn't too unreasonable a goal. you can get incremental 1% improvements from steps like body lightening (substitute AL/CBF for Steel), but some of the steps are bigger jumps. Legislatively you'd need to let them bank bigger years or run slight deficits in others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
