Speaking out of both sides of their mouths

[kallend 2,182]

www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-idXN507ddM9eGKwcnAi9rg5xMw?docId=14898048670841759c6755a7cabfd5d5

Some fact checking on the GOP convention speakers.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

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www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-idXN507ddM9eGKwcnAi9rg5xMw?docId=14898048670841759c6755a7cabfd5d5

Some fact checking on the GOP convention speakers.

Ya

Only one side does this (in your mind) we know

On the other hand

Some of the fact checkers you love today need fact checked

Not that you care

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

And since this is a thread about both sides of ones mouth, how about ShcShc11 tread about the Bin Laden raid?

Or, do you think only republicans do what you post?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Southern_Man 0]

I am shocked , shocked I tell you , that politicians are lying.

Sun rises in east

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[airdvr 210]

Try a credible source next time

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[CSpenceFLY 1]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153878/saying-one-thing-and-doing-another#tab=related

[kallend 2,182]

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Try a credible source next time

You have a problem with Associated Press?

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/aug/29/night-two-tampa-running-mate-and-more/

factcheck.org/2012/08/republican-retreads-from-tampa/

www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

Want to dispute the date the GM Janesville plant closed?

www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 906]

Well they aren't accusing anyone of being a felon....or that they haven't paid any taxes.....or that they killed someone ......
Hmmmmm....


I love when fact checkers are wrong.
In full support of their views of course....

[skycop 0]

That's because it's what they do.
The DNC will have it's turn, and the situation will be the same (or possibly worse).

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[airdvr 210]

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Try a credible source next time

You have a problem with Associated Press?

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/aug/29/night-two-tampa-running-mate-and-more/

factcheck.org/2012/08/republican-retreads-from-tampa/

www.tnr.com/blog/plank/106730/ryan-most-dishonest-convention-speech-five-lies-gm-medicare-deficit-medicaid

Want to dispute the date the GM Janesville plant closed?

www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

Not at all, but your first link was an op-ed piece by Woodward. Hardly fact checking.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[rushmc 23]

I will fully dispute that Ryan did not lie (as you and the dems are spinning it)

that is a fabrication you swallowed hook line and sinker

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,132]

>I will fully dispute that Ryan did not lie

Six top lies:

1. “A downgraded America.” Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”

2. “More debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined.” Romney has made the almost identical claim, that Obama has amassed more debt “as almost all of the other presidents combined.” But their math doesn’t add up: when Obama took office, the national debt was $10.626 trillion. It has increased to slightly above $15 trillion.

3. Shuttered General Motors plant is “one more broken promise.” Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office.

4. Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” In fact, Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.

5. “$716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.” Ryan’s favorite lie is a deliberate distortion of Obamacare’s savings from eliminating inefficiencies. Furthermore, Ryan’s own plan for Medicare includes these savings. Romney has vowed to restore these cuts, which would render the trust fund insolvent 8 years ahead of schedule.

6. “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.

[rushmc 23]

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>I will fully dispute that Ryan did not lie

Six top lies:

1. “A downgraded America.” Ryan blamed the president for the nation’s credit downgrade in August 2011 after Republicans threatened to allow the government to default on its debt for the first time in history. But the ratings agency explicitly blamed “Republicans saying that they refuse to accept any tax increases as part of a larger deal.”

2. “More debt than any other president before him, and more than all the troubled governments of Europe combined.” Romney has made the almost identical claim, that Obama has amassed more debt “as almost all of the other presidents combined.” But their math doesn’t add up: when Obama took office, the national debt was $10.626 trillion. It has increased to slightly above $15 trillion.

3. Shuttered General Motors plant is “one more broken promise.” Ryan described a GM plant that closed down in his hometown, Janesville, Wisconsin, and blamed Obama for breaking his promise to keep the plant open when he visited during his campaign. But Obama never made that promise, and the plant shut down in December 2008, before Obama even took office.

4. Obama “did exactly nothing” on Bowles-Simpson. Ryan said, “He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.” In fact, Ryan was instrumental in sabotaging the commission, leading the other House Republicans in voting against the plan.

5. “$716 billion, funneled out of Medicare by President Obama.” Ryan’s favorite lie is a deliberate distortion of Obamacare’s savings from eliminating inefficiencies. Furthermore, Ryan’s own plan for Medicare includes these savings. Romney has vowed to restore these cuts, which would render the trust fund insolvent 8 years ahead of schedule.

6. “The greatest of all responsibilities is that of the strong to protect the weak.” Ryan closed the speech with an invocation of social responsibility, saying, “The truest measure of any society is how it treats those who cannot defend or care for themselves.” However, numerous clergy members have condemned Ryan’s budget plan as “cruel,” and “an immoral disaster” because of its devastating cuts in social programs the poor and sick rely on. Meanwhile, Ryan would give ultra-rich individuals and corporations $3 trillion in tax breaks.

Yep

Same news spin kallend read

go figure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ianmdrennan 2]

Rush,

While I would hate for facts to get in your way, not that you've suffered that plight before, here's some stuff from the most unlikely of sources....Fox News:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/fox-news-sally-kohn-paul-ryan_n_1842580.html?1346336378&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz251rvLkSe

Performance Designs Factory Team

[rushmc 23]

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Rush,

While I would hate for facts to get in your way, not that you've suffered that plight before, here's some stuff from the most unlikely of sources....Fox News:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/fox-news-sally-kohn-paul-ryan_n_1842580.html?1346336378&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/#ixzz251rvLkSe

Opinion section written by Sally Kohn who is a writer and Fox News contributor.
So, are opinions you agree with facts now?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 906]

Only when it works in favor.

[rushmc 23]

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Only when it works in favor.

It took very little time to look at and debunk the GM plant story line

Makes the rest suspect

Oh

And the exact quote billvon put up can be found on allmost all Obama lovers media

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ianmdrennan 2]

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So, are opinions you agree with facts now?

If I'm using your 'standards', yes.

Thanks for reminding me why I try to avoid posting responses to you. It's a total waste of time and energy.

Enjoy your day.

Performance Designs Factory Team

[rushmc 23]

From Sally's website

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Fox News asked me to write the liberal response to Paul Ryan’s GOP convention speech last night.

What I find most interesting is, if you read what she wrote, her points are the exact same talking points of all the other libs bashing Ryan's speech

Not much originality from any of them

You almost wonder if Axlrod wrote it for them

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Thanks for reminding me why I try to avoid posting responses to you. It's a total waste of time and energy.

Enjoy your day.

It is only painful when you are fully exposed when I reply

And now you get dismissive

Go figure

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Here is her websight

http://sallykohn.com/

Take a look

Then, under the context of your first post to me, explain what you think I should think

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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I will fully dispute that Ryan did not lie

I suspect you didn't mean to say this. You're playing very loose with language in your rush to defend obvious lies...and here you stepped on yourself.

suggestion: I will conclusively prove that Ryan did not lie.

(Good luck on that...it's like selling klondike bars to penguins)

[rushmc 23]

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I will fully dispute that Ryan did not lie

I suspect you didn't mean to say this. You're playing very loose with language in your rush to defend obvious lies...and here you stepped on yourself.

suggestion: I will conclusively prove that Ryan did not lie.

(Good luck on that...it's like selling klondike bars to penguins)

No obvious lies

Just those born of left spin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[masterblaster72 0]

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So, are opinions you agree with facts now?

If I'm using your 'standards', yes.

Thanks for reminding me why I try to avoid posting responses to you. It's a total waste of time and energy.

Enjoy your day.

I quit years ago and have been scrolling past his posts since. It has made the SP experience more enjoyable.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Coreece 190]

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I am shocked , shocked I tell you , that politicians are lying.

Sun rises in east

That's sounds familiar...where did I hear that before?

...Oh, yeah:

Kallend:

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"OMG, politicians lie
Oh the humanity!

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"DOG BITES MAN" (yawn)

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