Romney Picks Ryan as Running Mate

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I believe it. I also believe the wacko left fringe has taken over the Dems.
What about you? It seems very one sided with a lot of posters here though.

I don't think the far left has as much influence over the Democratis Party as the far right has over the Republicans. I used to vote straight Republican. I voted for Oliver North, for God's sake. After I began to see that all the Republican candidates had to conform to the exact same mold (pro-life, devout Christian, anti-gay, tax pledge signing, hawkish) I started looking elsewhere. I will not vote for someone who is afraid to speak his mind. I wanted to vote for McCain. Actually, I wanted to vote for 2000 McCain. 2008 McCain got sucked into the machine.

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More incorrect assumptions of yours and others, that only religious Republicans are against gay marriage.

I never said only religious Republicans were against gay marriage. Here are two statements, can you guess which one is closest to what I said:

1. All people against gay marriage are religious Repulicans.
2. All religious Republicans are against gay marriage.

And here's a bonus statement:

There are vanishingly small numbers of Republicans who favor gay marriage and are pro-choice.

(Hint: the bonus statement is actually what I said.)

Your post only mentioned religious Republicans being against gay marriage.

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I believe it. I also believe the wacko left fringe has taken over the Dems.
What about you? It seems very one sided with a lot of posters here though.

I don't think the far left has as much influence over the Democratis Party as the far right has over the Republicans. I used to vote straight Republican. I voted for Oliver North, for God's sake. After I began to see that all the Republican candidates had to conform to the exact same mold (pro-life, devout Christian, anti-gay, tax pledge signing, hawkish) I started looking elsewhere. I will not vote for someone who is afraid to speak his mind. I wanted to vote for McCain. Actually, I wanted to vote for 2000 McCain. 2008 McCain got sucked into the machine.

I can agree with that in terms of the public face of the parties. But not at the top levels.


In practice - lately:

The right fringies have to show they are fringies to get to the top of the party. The reasonable ones one make it so far and then there's that glass ceiling to get past.

The left fringies pretend they are less fringie to make it past that line, and then go bonkers after they get into office. Though everyone 'really' knows they are fringie and just look the other way during the crossover.

it's usually the nutbag you know, vs the nutbag you know you'll get after it's too late


It's a real problem with two parties that are both defined by social positions requiring government to interfere (or spend) rather than just stay out of people's lives.

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I believe it. I also believe the wacko left fringe has taken over the Dems.
What about you? It seems very one sided with a lot of posters here though.

I don't think the far left has as much influence over the Democratis Party as the far right has over the Republicans. I used to vote straight Republican. I voted for Oliver North, for God's sake. After I began to see that all the Republican candidates had to conform to the exact same mold (pro-life, devout Christian, anti-gay, tax pledge signing, hawkish) I started looking elsewhere. I will not vote for someone who is afraid to speak his mind. I wanted to vote for McCain. Actually, I wanted to vote for 2000 McCain. 2008 McCain got sucked into the machine.

I can agree with that in terms of the public face of the parties. But not at the top levels.


In practice - lately:

The right fringies have to show they are fringies to get to the top of the party. The reasonable ones one make it so far and then there's that glass ceiling to get past.

The left fringies pretend they are less fringie to make it past that line, and then go bonkers after they get into office. Though everyone 'really' knows they are fringie and just look the other way during the crossover.

it's usually the nutbag you know, vs the nutbag you know you'll get after it's too late


It's a real problem with two parties that are both defined by social positions requiring government to interfere (or spend) rather than just stay out of people's lives.

First off know that I do not agree with you on the nut bags but

Your post does point out that we are not getting the best (fringe or not)

Who in hell would want to submit themselves to the media anal exam that is given?

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[sundevil777 102]

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Ike was a very smart man.

I agree that we should go back to they way those programs were in Eisenhower's era. He was certainly a "progressive" within the Republican party, but I assert you cannot conclude that he would have supported those programs to the form that we have now. He was "progressive", but also frugal.

Since you think he's smart, you should also agree with his campaign against "communism, Korea, and corruption". You should also agree that defending Taiwan against the Chinese is just, and that the whole domino theory is valid - he advocated a policy of liberation from communism as opposed to a policy of containment.

Sure, I'll take the things much the way they were back in Ike's day. Just like those that want taxation like it was in Clinton's day - as long as the spending levels come with it, that would be a great improvement.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Who in hell would want to submit themselves to the media anal exam that is given?

it certainly explains the proclivities of a lot of Senators

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What is even more fun is watching Kallend talking up Republicans!

It's even more fun watching people think Republicans of today are anything whatsoever like Republicans of even 30 years ago.

The dems are even more disconected from the past.
What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you........)

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What is even more fun is watching Kallend talking up Republicans!

It's even more fun watching people think Republicans of today are anything whatsoever like Republicans of even 30 years ago.

The dems are even more disconected from the past.
What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you........)

Really? You think only Republicans step up for community service by being firemen, teachers, police or the military? Volunteering to coach Little League or mid-night basketball? Act as helpers at the Special Olymipics?

Wtf dude?

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What is even more fun is watching Kallend talking up Republicans!

It's even more fun watching people think Republicans of today are anything whatsoever like Republicans of even 30 years ago.

The dems are even more disconected from the past.
What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you........)

Really? You think only Republicans step up for community service by being firemen, teachers, police or the military? Volunteering to coach Little League or mid-night basketball? Act as helpers at the Special Olymipics?

Wtf dude?

You guys are arguing about Politicians and how disconnected from their past and from the people they are. That is kind a like arguing over how wet water is.

They are politicians, they only connect to the campaign money.

Matt

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So, start being safe, first!!!

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They are politicians, they only connect to the campaign money.

Which to me is also the only way you are going to change the politicians you get, through altering the access and flow of campaign money.

No corporate or organizational (including unions of any kind) contributions. Limits on personal contributions.

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They are politicians, they only connect to the campaign money.

Which to me is also the only way you are going to change the politicians you get, through altering the access and flow of campaign money.

No corporate or organizational (including unions of any kind) contributions. Limits on personal contributions.

That would take a constitutional amendment. Amendments are too rare in the last several decades. They should not be. It is much better to have the argument for the amendment than trying to do it by the appointment of judges.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Amendments are too rare in the last several decades. They should not be.

I strongly disagree. It is with good reason that the Constitution's framers chose to not give the people a direct way to amend the Constitution.

One only needs to notice how many states have bigotry enshrined in their state constitutions to recognize the wisdom of the framers. Heck, Florida even has a constitutional amendment that addresses safe living conditions for pigs (I'm not referring to cops).

The Constitution should not easily change with the political winds.

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[sundevil777 102]

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Amendments are too rare in the last several decades. They should not be.

I strongly disagree. It is with good reason that the Constitution's framers chose to not give the people a direct way to amend the Constitution.

One only needs to notice how many states have bigotry enshrined in their state constitutions to recognize the wisdom of the framers. Heck, Florida even has a constitutional amendment that addresses safe living conditions for pigs (I'm not referring to cops).

The Constitution should not easily change with the political winds.

It isn't easy to do. Not easy at all.

For instance, I say that it if abortion rights groups want to make sure that conservative judges can't remove that ability to have an abortion, then it is much better to have that guarantee by way of an amendment than obscure privacy rulings by judges that can get overturned. Same for those that want it outlawed, better done with an amendment than laws that have questionable constitutional standing.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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It isn't easy to do. Not easy at all.

Nor should it be.

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They are politicians, they only connect to the campaign money.

Which to me is also the only way you are going to change the politicians you get, through altering the access and flow of campaign money.

No corporate or organizational (including unions of any kind) contributions. Limits on personal contributions.

corporations and the wealthy would gain substantially from this. Why would you support it?

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corporations and the wealthy would gain substantially from this.

How do you figure that?

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What is even more fun is watching Kallend talking up Republicans!

It's even more fun watching people think Republicans of today are anything whatsoever like Republicans of even 30 years ago.

The dems are even more disconected from the past.
What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you........)

Really? You think only Republicans step up for community service by being firemen, teachers, police or the military? Volunteering to coach Little League or mid-night basketball? Act as helpers at the Special Olymipics?

Wtf dude?

You forgot to include diversity coordinators, community outreach specialists, social workers, LGTB counselors, arts promoters, and many other critical positions.

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corporations and the wealthy would gain substantially from this.

How do you figure that?

because they already have the resources to have influence. When you deny the ability of people to collectively pool dues (unions, AARP, NRA, etc) to do the same thing, you take away the best leveler of the playing field. End result, such proposals do the opposite of what you intended (and for others, what they pretend to be attempting to do).

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because they already have the resources to have influence. When you deny the ability of people to collectively pool dues (unions, AARP, NRA, etc) to do the same thing, you take away the best leveler of the playing field. End result, such proposals do the opposite of what you intended (and for others, what they pretend to be attempting to do).

I don't buy that. Unions would still have reseources to have influence as well, so would organizations such as AARP and NRA. Lobbying would still exist.

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because they already have the resources to have influence. When you deny the ability of people to collectively pool dues (unions, AARP, NRA, etc) to do the same thing, you take away the best leveler of the playing field. End result, such proposals do the opposite of what you intended (and for others, what they pretend to be attempting to do).

I don't buy that. Unions would still have reseources to have influence as well, so would organizations such as AARP and NRA. Lobbying would still exist.

fortunately your disbelief is irrelevant as the Citizens decision removed this barrier on our rights. You're still wrong.

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Another analysis of Ryan's budget plan:

www.dailyfinance.com/2012/08/16/paul-ryan-budget-plan-average-american-family/

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fortunately your disbelief is irrelevant as the Citizens decision removed this barrier on our rights. You're still wrong.

Then you will continue to get the best politicians money can buy. It has been working wonderfully.

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fortunately your disbelief is irrelevant as the Citizens decision removed this barrier on our rights. You're still wrong.

Then you will continue to get the best politicians money can buy. It has been working wonderfully.

I think the Supreme Court was correct in their ruling about political donations being a form of free speech. That is, I think it is consistent with the constitution. I could be convinced that a different policy is good for the country, but that would require the constitution be amended. Amendments in the past were much more frequent. It seems that amendments are never considered as the proper course to take nowadays.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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I think the Supreme Court was correct in their ruling about political donations being a form of free speech. That is, I think it is consistent with the constitution. I could be convinced that a different policy is good for the country, but that would require the constitution be amended. Amendments in the past were much more frequent. It seems that amendments are never considered as the proper course to take nowadays.

Be careful what you wish for.

Changing the Constitution should remain a very big deal and not subject to temporal whims.

The "proper" course of action is to follow the rules as set forth IN the Constitution first. Strange rulings which declair companies have the same rights as citizens are not supportable by that standard.

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I think the Supreme Court was correct in their ruling about political donations being a form of free speech. That is, I think it is consistent with the constitution. I could be convinced that a different policy is good for the country, but that would require the constitution be amended. Amendments in the past were much more frequent. It seems that amendments are never considered as the proper course to take nowadays.

Be careful what you wish for.

Changing the Constitution should remain a very big deal and not subject to temporal whims.

The "proper" course of action is to follow the rules as set forth IN the Constitution first. Strange rulings which declair companies have the same rights as citizens are not supportable by that standard.

The supreme court thinks it is supportable. That is the point, they are in charge of that interpretation. If the constitution isn't being interpreted by the supreme court in the way that people think it should, then that is exactly the proper role of an amendment.

I think it is far worse to have supreme courts invent/interpret their way around the limitations of the constitution to get their desired result.

The unwillingness to use the amendment process places even more importance on the judges.

Why the fear? If an consequences of an amendment turns out to be really bad, I say that it is easier to change/repeal an amendment than get a new case before the supreme court that would have the same effect.

Anyway, I think it is wrong that modern times have brought about this fear of the process.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am