Mass shooting @ Sikh temple near Milwaukee

[RonD1120 62]

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It's only correct to say they're Indian if they're Indian. These poor people were American. They originated in India but that's like saying that you, Ron, are Israeli because that's where your religion originated.

I'm OK with that. I consider myself an adopted Jew.

Only the politically correct folks over here get testy over such things. I met a man the other day from Miami, FL. His mother was of Chinese heritage. He referred to her as Chinese. I had a client whose parents were from Laos. He said he was Laotian. Yesterday my granddaughter was tracing my heritage on Ancestry.com and my original suspicions were confirmed. I am German and Holland Dutch.

The posters in SC seem to be the greatest critics of terminology.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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The first retaliation for 9/11 was a white guy who shot a Sikh outside his gas station a few days after 9/11, assuming he was a Muslim.

If Americans are really this stupid, is there justification for allowing them to have guns? I mean really?

Our society is a danger to itself. We are the laughing stock of the world, but that's Ok 'cause we don't really give a shit about the rest of the world anyway. I think a lot of Americans couldn't find the 'world' on a map....

But no we don't have a 'gun problem'

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The first retaliation for 9/11 was a white guy who shot a Sikh outside his gas station a few days after 9/11, assuming he was a Muslim.

If Americans are really this stupid, is there justification for allowing them to have guns? I mean really?

Our society is a danger to itself. We are the laughing stock of the world, but that's Ok 'cause we don't really give a shit about the rest of the world anyway. I think a lot of Americans couldn't find the 'world' on a map....

But no we don't have a 'gun problem'

Gun problem...no, I don't think we do.

Stupidity problem...yeah, no argument there!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Marinus 0]

The combination of stupidity and guns is a gun problem waiting to happen as far as I can see. (Not that I think Americans are particularly stupid, btw, and AFAICS the statistics don't support the stereotype either.)

[kallend 2,174]

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The combination of stupidity and guns is a gun problem waiting to happen as far as I can see. (Not that I think Americans are particularly stupid, btw, and AFAICS the statistics don't support the stereotype either.)

But averagely stupid people elsewhere don't have such easy access to guns as averagely stupid 'Mericans.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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I am German and Holland Dutch.

The fact that you use a rather nonsensical phrase like "Holland Dutch" is my first clue that you're in fact not Dutch.

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But averagely stupid people elsewhere don't have such easy access to guns as averagely stupid 'Mericans.

Personally I think something akin a driver's licence for guns wouldn't be a bad idea. A licence that's only given after a rigorous safety training.

[DaVinci 0]

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Personally I think something akin a driver's licence for guns wouldn't be a bad idea. A licence that's only given after a rigorous safety training.

Would you agree with this statement as well?

"Personally I think something akin to a voters license for voting wouldn't be a bad idea. A license that's only given after a rigorous political training."

The problem is that in both cases these requirements have been used to prevent honest people from exercising a right.

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This may be common knowledge here but, Sikhs are not Muslim, they are Hindu.

Erm...No.

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[Skyrad 0]

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True enough, they came from the Hindu.

Seriously you can stop digging now.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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[Marinus 0]

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"Personally I think something akin to a voters license for voting wouldn't be a bad idea. A license that's only given after a rigorous political training."

Yes, because many people are accidentally voted to death, and drunk voting is a threat to safety everywhere. Apples/Oranges.

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The problem is that in both cases these requirements have been used to prevent honest people from exercising a right.

When handling guns and driving cars, competence is at least as big an issue as honesty.

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I am German and Holland Dutch.

STOP! You're killing me

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[kawisixer01 0]

It appears he was none other than a govt trained former psych ops guy who also happened to be a white supremacist.
http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-news/2012/aug/06/officials-sikh-temple-shooter-white-supremacist/

[rushmc 23]

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But averagely stupid people elsewhere don't have such easy access to guns as averagely stupid 'Mericans.

Personally I think something akin a driver's licence for guns wouldn't be a bad idea. A licence that's only given after a rigorous safety training.

Or how about this since constitititionaly named rights are being posted about here?

***Personally I think something akin a driver's licence for practicing free speech wouldn't be a bad idea. A licence that's only given after a rigorous limitations training.[/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Michelle Bachmann should be positively thrilled, I doubt she knows the the difference between a Sikh and a Shia.

Did anybody hear if Ross stated the killer was linked to the tea party yet?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Or how about this since constitititionaly named rights are being posted about here?

IIRC people who have proven that they can't be trusted with guns loose the right to bear arms.

[rushmc 23]

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Or how about this since constitititionaly named rights are being posted about here?

IIRC people who have proven that they can't be trusted with guns loose the right to bear arms.

And political parties and others have destroyed peoples lives with their flapping yaps

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airtwardo 7]

Personally I think something akin a driver's licence for guns wouldn't be a bad idea. A licence that's only given after a rigorous safety training.

Much as it pains me to say...I gotta admit that sometimes the people I converse with regarding firearms and their use frightens me.

I'm a conservative NRA life-member, but I firmly believe that some people who are currently legally armed, should not be trusted with a potato gun.

But on the other hand as history has shown, an armed populace is a free people...to an extent anyway!

A lot more education & maybe a little more regulation would actually let me sleep better. . .however neither would have had much effect regarding this latest tragedy.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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A lot more education & maybe a little more regulation would actually let me sleep better. . .however neither would have had much effect regarding this latest tragedy.

That's true. And you never will be able to prevent everything, to begin with, but you'll be able to prevent a lot, I think. I especially don't really understand the resistance of many to the education part. It seems only natural to me that if you want an armed population, you want one that knows how to handle weapons. For example, someone who sells a gun, and somehow manages to shoot the daughter of the buyer in the process, should never have been in possession a gun in the first place because he should have failed his exam for the gun-licence.

[rushmc 23]

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A lot more education & maybe a little more regulation would actually let me sleep better. . .however neither would have had much effect regarding this latest tragedy.

That's true. And you never will be able to prevent everything, to begin with, but you'll be able to prevent a lot, I think. I especially don't really understand the resistance of many to the education part. It seems only natural to me that if you want an armed population, you want one that knows how to handle weapons. For example, someone who sells a gun, and somehow manages to shoot the daughter of the buyer in the process, should never have been in possession a gun in the first place because he should have failed his exam for the gun-licence.

Well, since this nut came from the military, I could conclude he was very well trained and or educated

So help me, what training do you see as limiting these types of killings . I am not against firearm training and safety training or edcucation but, I dont see your point based on this incident

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 902]

All the gun owners I know personally are obsessive about knowledge of their weapons.
I have never considered there to be any resistance on educating.

[rushmc 23]

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All the gun owners I know personally are obsessive about knowledge of their weapons.
I have never considered there to be any resistance on educating.

Same here

I built my own to understand them better so I can handle them as safely as possible

I do not understand what training or education would have had any chance to limit or end this type of incident

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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But averagely stupid people elsewhere don't have such easy access to guns as averagely stupid 'Mericans.

Personally I think something akin a driver's licence for guns wouldn't be a bad idea. A licence that's only given after a rigorous safety training.

You're obviously not familiar with how easy it is to get a driver's license in the US! It's certainly harder to get a gun. We don't have the driving or first aid training or financial requirements that are common to EU nations.

But honestly, guns aren't that hard. Much easier than driving in a city like San Francisco or Paris. You can get by with just a handful of rules that should be pretty fucking obvious (ie, don't point at friends, don't point and friends and pull trigger, even if you think it's empty). Training for hours doesn't change that. Screwups are screwups, or they're drunk, or they really didn't have an accident. Meanwhile, the vast majority of other shooters were intentional acts by criminals and no amount of training is going to stop them. So in the end, you're just putting up a big barrier for those who wish to exercise a constitutional right.

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All the gun owners I know personally are obsessive about knowledge of their weapons.
I have never considered there to be any resistance on educating.

I could say that I'm pretty anal around guns too, but that would probably lead to people getting all kinds of very wrong ideas about me. But it's not about people like you and me, but the people who think fire-arms are a toy.

[normiss 902]

In speaking of this particular incident, I would say that could not possibly apply.
He was former military, he clearly understood and knew that guns are not toys in any way.