quade 4 #1 August 3, 2012 There is a fine line between being Banksy and being a vandal. What is the intersection between art, social commentary, legitimate protest, and mindless vandalism? Hmmm. I'll have to think about that. Had this work been placed on a piece of government owned wall, I think it would be protected free speech, but on the wall of a privately owned business, I think it's out of line. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/chick-fil-a-kiss-vandalism-hate.htmlquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #2 August 3, 2012 Defacing walls does not qualify as free speech whether it is on government walls or private property. I am a big fan of Banksy and some of the stuff he has done for the Olympics. Of course he is so well known that many property owners are happy and proud to have his works on their walls."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 August 3, 2012 QuoteDefacing walls does not qualify as free speech whether it is on government walls or private property. Are you sure about that? Can you cite a U.S. court decision to that effect? This article seems to suggest otherwise: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/nyc-cant-block-young-adults-from-buying-spray-paintquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 August 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteDefacing walls does not qualify as free speech whether it is on government walls or private property. Are you sure about that? Can you cite a U.S. court decision to that effect? This article seems to suggest otherwise: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/nyc-cant-block-young-adults-from-buying-spray-paint I don't see that as supporting a right to vandalize, just that you can't selective prohibit young adults from buying equipment that just might be used for that purpose. Business and home owners are responsible for cleaning up graffiti to cut down on blight. Can get fined for not complying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 August 3, 2012 My point being, I've never seen a ruling that graffiti was carved out as an exception to free speech.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #6 August 3, 2012 > I've never seen a ruling that graffiti was carved out as an exception to free speech. Nor have I - and if you wish to write political slogans on your house I can't see any court prohibiting that. An HOA might come after you for not following the agreement you signed but you'd stand a reasonable chance of defending that in court (IMO.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #7 August 3, 2012 Quote I'll have to think about that. You have confirmed my impression of you.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 August 3, 2012 Quote Nor have I - and if you wish to write political slogans on your house I can't see any court prohibiting that. An HOA might come after you for not following the agreement you signed but you'd stand a reasonable chance of defending that in court (IMO.) I may I have seen examples of this - a (apparently slightly nuts) Chinese owners of a mattress store in my neighborhood started writing odd critiques of the city supervisors on the wall of his shop - each time they're get painted over in a couple of days and some of the writing implied City response driving it, probably as form of blight. But hard to tell...best guess from me was this was a zoning dispute of some sort. Fighting The City is generally a losing proposition, even if you're right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 August 3, 2012 QuoteQuote I'll have to think about that. You have confirmed my impression of you. That I think about stuff? Well, thank you.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 August 3, 2012 Quote That I think about stuff? Well, thank you. Even more pathetic.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #11 August 3, 2012 QuoteMy point being, I've never seen a ruling that graffiti was carved out as an exception to free speech. Can you please point out your car so I can key the words "Romney 2012" into the side of it? Free speech right? If you don't think that this would not fall under free speech please explain the difference between defacing one peace of private property over the other.... Other than "well, I agree with this position and not that" or "you can deface someone else's property, but not mine.""There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #12 August 3, 2012 QuoteQuote That I think about stuff? Well, thank you. Even more pathetic. Well, then, what is the point you're attempting to make?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 August 3, 2012 Quote ...private property... quade, and his ilk, don't get this. Probably because none of them have worked hard enough to earn it. But, I'm just guessing here...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 August 3, 2012 Did you even read the original post?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #15 August 3, 2012 Did you even read the original post?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #16 August 3, 2012 Quote Well, then, what is the point you're attempting to make? My point? You, and folks like you, don't work hard enough. Nor do you seem to take risks that merit accomplishing the American dream. How much money do you, or your family, get from the government? Let's be clear here.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #17 August 3, 2012 Quote Did you even read the original post? Yes I did.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 August 3, 2012 Wtf? How the hell does that make any sense in context with this thread? I have never received a dime from the government. Wtf does that have to do with anything?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #19 August 3, 2012 Quote How the hell does that make any sense in context with this thread? I have never received a dime from the government. Wtf does that have to do with anything? Private property.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 August 3, 2012 Again, did you read the original post? Please do me a favor and read it again.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #21 August 3, 2012 QuoteAgain, did your read the original post? Please do me a favor and read it again. "… on the wall of a privately owned business, I think it's out of line."Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #22 August 3, 2012 Let me repeat myself. I did read the article. And I read your initial post even more times. Quote What is the intersection between art, social commentary, legitimate protest, and mindless vandalism? Hmmm. I'll have to think about that. What a f'ing ridiculous question you have posed. It's ok for someone to write graffiti on a "government owned wall"? You have to even think about whether it's right or wrong to do so on a private business? What kind of neighborhood do you live in? Yeah, I know you're from Compton, and you would even entertain this thought? Unbelievable... but not anymore. Had this work been placed on a piece of government owned wall, I think it would be protected free speech, but on the wall of a privately owned business, I think it's out of line. And here's the whole problem right now with people living off the government. Nobody cares. You have skin in the game, or you don't.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 August 3, 2012 So many interesting assumptions you've made. Fascinating.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #24 August 3, 2012 Quote "… on the wall of a privately owned business, I think it's out of line." But, it's ok on a "government owned wall"? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #25 August 3, 2012 Quote So many interesting assumptions you've made. Cheap trick. Your words couldn't be clearer.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
