rushmc 23 #1 July 30, 2012 QuoteNASA’s claim that Greenland is experiencing “unprecedented” melting is nothing but a bunch of hot air, according to scientists who say the country's ice sheets melt with some regularity. A heat dome over the icy country melted a whopping 97 percent of Greenland’s ice sheet in mid-July, NASA said, calling it yet more evidence of the effect man is having on the planet. But the unusual-seeming event had nothing to do with hot air, according to glaciologists. It was actually to be expected. "Ice cores from Summit station [Greenland’s coldest and highest] show that melting events of this type occur about once every 150 years on average. With the last one happening in 1889, this event is right on time," said Lora Koenig, a Goddard glaciologist and a member of the research team analyzing the satellite data. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/07/26/skeptics-put-freeze-on-nasa-hot-air-about-greenland-ice/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #2 July 30, 2012 >A heat dome over the icy country melted a whopping 97 percent of Greenland’s ice >sheet in mid-July, NASA said, calling it yet more evidence of the effect man is having >on the planet. No they didn't. I didn't read the article - are there any other lies in it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fearjoburg 0 #3 July 31, 2012 Hey its on the interwebs so it must be true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #4 July 31, 2012 Is it me, or do the climate "sceptics" sound a lot like creationists? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #5 July 31, 2012 QuoteIs it me, or do the climate "sceptics" sound a lot like creationists? Only if the climate alamists consider themselve to be Gods"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 July 31, 2012 Quote>A heat dome over the icy country melted a whopping 97 percent of Greenland’s ice >sheet in mid-July, NASA said, calling it yet more evidence of the effect man is having >on the planet. No they didn't. I didn't read the article - are there any other lies in it? NASA caught yet again Your defense of them is admirable"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skiskyrock 0 #7 August 2, 2012 Interestingly, the "once every hundred and fifty year event" has happened once in the last 800 years. http://www.gisp2.sr.unh.edu/DATA/alley1.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #8 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteIs it me, or do the climate "sceptics" sound a lot like creationists? Only if the climate alamists consider themselve to be Gods I'm curious. What makes you SO sure that its not happening? Its odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 August 2, 2012 QuoteIts odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... He reads the company newsletter.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIs it me, or do the climate "sceptics" sound a lot like creationists? Only if the climate alamists consider themselve to be Gods I'm curious. What makes you SO sure that its not happening? Its odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... Only thing I am sure of it that it is not as bad as the alamists say People on this site like to refer to the experts Well here at least, it seems as if the ice experts have taken NASA down a notch Let me reverse the question How can you be SO sure it is happening?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #11 August 2, 2012 Quote Quote Its odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... He reads the company newsletter. And here comes the required one liner that the mods tell others to stop Oh, but it is ok if you dont agree with the poster it is aimed at Got it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteIts odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... He reads the company newsletter. One another note Look up LNT company stock code) and see what the company stance on climate change is and the step it is taking to deal with it Do you like shoe leather?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #13 August 2, 2012 QuoteHow can you be SO sure it is happening? Data analysis.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteHow can you be SO sure it is happening? Data analysis. Then, IMO, your analysis, is flawed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 August 2, 2012 An interesting article on measuring increase in global temperature: Everyone Freaks Out About Two New Climate Change StudiesWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 August 2, 2012 QuoteAn interesting article on measuring increase in global temperature: Everyone Freaks Out About Two New Climate Change Studies That article really is the point of all of this"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #17 August 2, 2012 Quote That article really is the point of all of this Pretty much. There's also the argument that proposed solutions really aren't solutions, much less solutions that account for economic reality.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #18 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuote That article really is the point of all of this Pretty much. There's also the argument that proposed solutions really aren't solutions, much less solutions that account for economic reality. In the end this whole issue is about control and money You know, the left likes having control over other peoples money"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #19 August 2, 2012 nsidc.org/news/press/20120730_draught.html droughtmonitor.unl.edu/ nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/ www.kxan.com/dpps/weather/us_wx_news/half-of-us-counties-now-considered-disaster-areas-nt12-jgr_4283663... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #20 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIs it me, or do the climate "sceptics" sound a lot like creationists? Only if the climate alamists consider themselve to be Gods I'm curious. What makes you SO sure that its not happening? Its odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... Only thing I am sure of it that it is not as bad as the alamists say People on this site like to refer to the experts Well here at least, it seems as if the ice experts have taken NASA down a notch Let me reverse the question How can you be SO sure it is happening? The cost of you being wrong is far more costlier and thus the burden of proof should be on you. Saying this is "normal" because it happens every 150 years isin't proof. The agricultural disaster in the U.S because of drought that suppose to happen every 75 years isin't proof. The major forest fires in California and Russia in 2011 that happens only every 120 years isin't proof. What makes it "denial" isin't because you chose this side; its because there is a sincere lack of concrete numbers to back it and any "alarming" numbers are countered with: "oh its normal" Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIs it me, or do the climate "sceptics" sound a lot like creationists? Only if the climate alamists consider themselve to be Gods I'm curious. What makes you SO sure that its not happening? Its odd how you can be 100% sure that its a hoax... Only thing I am sure of it that it is not as bad as the alamists say People on this site like to refer to the experts Well here at least, it seems as if the ice experts have taken NASA down a notch Let me reverse the question How can you be SO sure it is happening? The cost of you being wrong is far more costlier and thus the burden of proof should be on you. Saying this is "normal" because it happens every 150 years isin't proof. The agricultural disaster in the U.S because of drought that suppose to happen every 75 years isin't proof. The major forest fires in California and Russia in 2011 that happens only every 120 years isin't proof. What makes it "denial" isin't because you chose this side; its because there is a sincere lack of concrete numbers to back it and any "alarming" numbers are countered with: "oh its normal" Cheers! Shc That is like saying we have to throw you in jail cause we think you will commit a crime And I never said anything was proof All I was pointing out was the ice experts were telling the alarmists they do not know what they are talking about"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #22 August 2, 2012 Quote In the end this whole issue is about control and money You know, the left likes having control over other peoples money Having spent time looking into this, the physics of CO2 absorption are well known. My "skepticism" comes into play with model predictions. Lots of "real" climate scientists acknowledge they don't fully understand the dynamics of the problem. Likewise, CO2 emissions for western democracies are basically flat now. China's is going through the roof. Letting politicians in western democracies take control of this problem isn't going to solve anything, IMO, especially when they're advocating incredibly costly/invasive policies. I am firmly convinced that a big government solution to this problem is not going to happen, unless rational market players are actively encouraged to participate, and by that I mean nuclear power folks.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 August 2, 2012 QuoteQuote In the end this whole issue is about control and money You know, the left likes having control over other peoples money Having spent time looking into this, the physics of CO2 absorption are well known. My "skepticism" comes into play with model predictions. Lots of "real" climate scientists acknowledge they don't fully understand the dynamics of the problem. Likewise, CO2 emissions for western democracies are basically flat now. China's is going through the roof. Letting politicians in western democracies take control of this problem isn't going to solve anything, IMO, especially when they're advocating incredibly costly/invasive policies. I am firmly convinced that a big government solution to this problem is not going to happen, unless rational market players are actively encouraged to participate, and by that I mean nuclear power folks. I agree But I still think this is more about pushing the green agenda, power and money than it is about climate science"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #24 August 2, 2012 Quote The cost of you being wrong is far more costlier and thus the burden of proof should be on you. That's not at all clear, IMO. Letting Lisa Jackson's EPA impose solutions here will be a back breaker. Nuclear power is the only viable option I see to address this issue, at this point in time. We should be going gang busters with this, while encouraging rational market players to bring other scalable solutions to the table.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #25 August 2, 2012 Quote All I was pointing out was the ice experts were telling the alarmists they do not know what they are talking about Ummmm - NO. That is the spin FOX is trying to put on it. But when you actually read the article you find: “Climate in the Arctic has been warming about three to four times more than the global average, and Greenland surface temperatures (observed by satellite and surface instruments) have been increasing about 2 degrees Celsius per decade during about the last 20 years,” he said. Zwally would be in a position to know: He was lead scientist for the ICESat project, which ran from 2003 to 2010, and used satellites to measure Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets. “This is the most extensive area of surface melting during last 40 years of satellite observations,” he said. It may be in line with the 150-year cycles of melting, however. Mary Albert, executive director of the NSF Ice Core Drilling office, and Kaitlin Keegan, an engineering PhD student and a fellow in Dartmouth’s polar environmental change program, are working on a paper on the Greenland ice sheet melt, a school spokeswoman told FoxNews.com. Neither was available to describe the exact findings" Hardly a whole lot of experts putting NASA in its place.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
