maadmax 0 #201 August 5, 2012 Quote"We are but shadows and dust." To return to the earth in the end and feed the next, nothing after, of us, but a new sprout fed by the shit of a worm. Hate can't come from nothing. Hate is a man, bigoted and justifying his bigotry with a false justification, based on a book of writings from third parties compiled by a committee in an effort to control a failing empire. But the transformations it has produced in countless souls screams of its validity. Evil people will use any means to hide their intent. That in no way diminishes the good God intends for us through His Word. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #202 August 5, 2012 QuoteMy existence will end in a couple of decades. In a way I'll still exist after I'm dead. I'm my body and my body won't disappear. It'll disintegrate one way or another but the atoms will continue to exist right until the universe is torn asunder in the Big Rip. (Anyone has a date for that, btw?) But I don't think that'll be of much use to me. I can masturbate my ego by claiming I am in fact the universe that's trying to figure itself out, and in a way I would be right about that, but that doesn't change the fact that probably no one will know I've ever existed by the time it's 2200. So says our current knowledge of biochemistry and physics. It seems pretty sketchy to base your entire reality on what little is known about physical phenomenon. The recent discovery of the Higgs boson should make you wonder a little about what else is out there. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #203 August 5, 2012 QuoteI can masturbate my ego by claiming I am in fact the universe that's trying to figure itself out Just curious...where did you get that from? Coreece, 2007: QuoteWas the universe's intention to evolve into a state that could ackowledge itself? QuoteI'm thankful that we only need minimal knowledge of God in order to have a relationship with him. Some may say that this relationship is conceited, but as I've said earlier in this post, if we are the only beings that can acknowledge God and His universe, I belive this relationship is essential and makes sense. I believe it was created for us as evidence of His exsistence and to marvel over and give glory and thanks to Him for it. I don't think the universe has a point if it can't be acknowledged, thus our exsistence.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #204 August 5, 2012 QuoteTacky. True, but isn't this the hope for homosexual equality - that old folks with consistent morals who build this country die off...I'm sure you'd agree with Bill on that. You people wish for death on certain citizens...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #205 August 5, 2012 >You people wish for death on certain citizens... And "you people" actually carry through. The latest Christian crusader killed 77, if I recall correctly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #206 August 5, 2012 I'm not gonna pretend I know what you're talking about... speak to me.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #207 August 5, 2012 QuoteQuote"We are but shadows and dust." To return to the earth in the end and feed the next, nothing after, of us, but a new sprout fed by the shit of a worm. Hate can't come from nothing. Hate is a man, bigoted and justifying his bigotry with a false justification, based on a book of writings from third parties compiled by a committee in an effort to control a failing empire. But the transformations it has produced in countless souls screams of its validity. Evil people will use any means to hide their intent. That in no way diminishes the good God intends for us through His Word. ... I was talking about "Hate", justified with a book of fables. You think that "Hate" has been good for transforming souls? I think if any words would be good, it would be the words of Jesus as the Christ. Spoken by him (if he did), not translated by any man. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #208 August 5, 2012 where did Christ ever condone sin?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #209 August 5, 2012 Quotewhere did Christ ever condone sin? I didn't say he did. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #210 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuotewhere did Christ ever condone sin? I didn't say he did. Matt Well, refusing to condone homosexual behavior and then calling it sin often tends to be viewed as hate. There is no question about it...the bible is very offensive to those who love their sin and refuse to repent.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 619 #211 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuotewhere did Christ ever condone sin? I didn't say he did. Matt Well, refusing to condone homosexual behavior and then calling it sin often tends to be viewed as hate. There is no question about it...the bible is very offensive to those who love their sin and refuse to repent. Well I sure hope you don't eat bacon or cheeseburgers.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #212 August 11, 2012 I know it is too much to ask but, would you guys make some attempt to discern the difference in scope, meaning and direction of the NT versus the OT?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #213 August 11, 2012 QuoteI know it is too much to ask but, would you guys make some attempt to discern the difference in scope, meaning and direction of the NT versus the OT? Why? it is two parts of one fable. It is ALL supposedly the word of god as relayed by third parties. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #214 August 11, 2012 QuoteWell, refusing to condone homosexual behavior and then calling it sin often tends to be viewed as hate. If you're not trying to make "homosexual behavior" illegal, does that mean that you're condoning it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #215 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteWell, refusing to condone homosexual behavior and then calling it sin often tends to be viewed as hate. If you're not trying to make "homosexual behavior" illegal, does that mean that you're condoning it? I don't have to try, the moral law already makes it so... If Caesar wants to have gay sex, then that's on Ceasar.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #216 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWell, refusing to condone homosexual behavior and then calling it sin often tends to be viewed as hate. If you're not trying to make "homosexual behavior" illegal, does that mean that you're condoning it? I don't have to try, the moral law already makes it so... If Caesar wants to have gay sex, then that's on Ceasar. OK. So if Chick-fil-A stops donating to groups who fight against gay rights, that doesn't mean that Chick-fil-A condones homosexuality? To me, it would make them seem like better Christians - not passing judgment and all that. I think Jesus wanted Christians to spread the word, but not to force other people to behave any certain way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #217 August 11, 2012 QuoteOK. So if Chick-fil-A stops donating to groups who fight against gay rights, that doesn't mean that Chick-fil-A condones homosexuality? Right. QuoteTo me, it would make them seem like better Christians - not passing judgment and all that. Well, God will judge those on the outside, but calling sin sin is not being judgemental. Christians are to judge those within who engage in unrepentant sin...a lil leven levens the whole lump and all that. QuoteI think Jesus wanted Christians to spread the word, but not to force other people to behave any certain way. right, right...the change or at least the willingness to do so should come from the heart - for the love of God. The last thing we want are more base converts...and if you don't hate sin and understand it's detrimental grip on us, then it's unlikely you share in the Spirit.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #218 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteI know it is too much to ask but, would you guys make some attempt to discern the difference in scope, meaning and direction of the NT versus the OT? Why? it is two parts of one fable. It is ALL supposedly the word of god as relayed by third parties. Matt Yeah, it is just to much to ask. You have it all figured out. There is nothing else to learn or understand. OK.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #219 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI know it is too much to ask but, would you guys make some attempt to discern the difference in scope, meaning and direction of the NT versus the OT? Why? it is two parts of one fable. It is ALL supposedly the word of god as relayed by third parties. Matt Yeah, it is just to much to ask. You have it all figured out. There is nothing else to learn or understand. OK. Nice none come back. Science shows the events happened, but not for the reasons the bible says. Jesus of Nazareth might be areal person, science is finding evidence of that. In the words accredited to him, says for you his followers not to judge, let God do that. You should be letting people live as they so choose, remember God gave you free will. Remember, religion is the root of all evil, for with out it, there can be no evil. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #220 August 11, 2012 QuoteTo me, it would make them seem like better Christians - not passing judgment and all that. ...and just to add. We have to remember that christians are very much a part of this this democracy as citizens of the united states. They have every right to express their opinion and vote against anything that would violate their conscience...So it's probably in the best interest of the gay community to not ask us to do so.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #221 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteTo me, it would make them seem like better Christians - not passing judgment and all that. ...and just to add. We have to remember that christians are very much a part of this this democracy as citizens of the united states. They have every right to express their opinion and vote against anything that would violate their conscience...So it's probably in the best interest of the gay community to not ask us to do so. Aren't these Christians also Citizens of the United States? Why the distinct separation of Christians and Citizens of the United States? Aren't Christians just a subset of the larger Citizens of the United States? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #222 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteTo me, it would make them seem like better Christians - not passing judgment and all that. ...and just to add. We have to remember that christians are very much a part of this this democracy as citizens of the united states. They have every right to express their opinion and vote against anything that would violate their conscience...So it's probably in the best interest of the gay community to not ask us to do so. Has there been a case where the gay community has asked for their rights to be up to a vote? The only opportunity I've had to vote for their rights was CA's Proposition 8, started and funded mostly by Christians to keep gay couples from having legal marriages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #223 August 11, 2012 QuoteAren't these Christians also Citizens of the United States? Ya, that's what I said...booby traps. QuoteWhy the distinct separation of Christians and Citizens of the United States? We deal with each other differently than we deal with the rest world...it's complicated because many of us still operate in the flesh. QuoteAren't Christians just a subset of the larger Citizens of the United States? Yes, but unfortunately all christians aren't united, we're divided and have different priorities.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #224 August 11, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteTo me, it would make them seem like better Christians - not passing judgment and all that. ...and just to add. We have to remember that christians are very much a part of this this democracy as citizens of the united states. They have every right to express their opinion and vote against anything that would violate their conscience...So it's probably in the best interest of the gay community to not ask us to do so. Has there been a case where the gay community has asked for their rights to be up to a vote? The only opportunity I've had to vote for their rights was CA's Proposition 8, started and funded mostly by Christians to keep gay couples from having legal marriages. That's what I was asking in another thread...I don't think this is right. But I wouldn't really mind having the right to vote against webster changing/adding definitions.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #225 August 11, 2012 ...just to add. I'm trying very hard to be to let all the bullshit go, as I should. Vengeance is the Lords...If you don't want our help then so be it, because at the end of the day that's what most of us are all trying to do.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
