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Ban People!!!!!! Without people, there would be no crimes at all!!!

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[DaVinci 0]

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Just look at how many hero wannabes think that they could have stopped the Colorado theater mass murders if they had only been there with their 9 mm or their .40 cal.

We know that not having a gun didn't help. You keep talking about 'last resort'.... Well, I'd bet the dead in CO would have loved an option as opposed to just trying to escape.

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It's just not that risky to go through life unarmed, but many people are reluctant to do so because they're scared of extremely unlikely occurrences.

And so many people are afraid to jump without an AAD even though they could avoid the very small danger of being knocked out in freefall. And many people carry a spare tire in the unlikely event that they will get a flat, some people have a fire extinguisher in the small chance they will have a fire. ETC.......

You are showing YOUR fears here. You claim to not be afraid of bad guys.... Yet here you are trying to disarm everyone so you will feel safer.

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You are showing YOUR fears here. You claim to not be afraid of bad guys.... Yet here you are trying to disarm everyone so you will feel safer.

If you reread my posts, you'll see that I haven't suggested disarming people. I'm just realistic about the usefulness and limitations of guns.

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I don't need to disavow the phrase simply because you are trying twist my words to mean something I didn't say..

how did I twist the word "weapon." You wrote it.

What was implied was that weapons are only needed in home defense as a last resort. No untwisting necessary.

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Your tools are only effective in the prevention side, have little value in an actual self defense situation.

Smart people tend to expend their energy on prevention rather than reaction.

That's stupid, just because someone broke into your house and you have to use a weapon to protect yourself doesn't mean that you have made no effort to keep them out. Yes, I know that is not what you said, it's what you implied. Some of you tend to lay out a lot of all or nothing scenarios.

I have news for you. Once someone is in my house uninvited I have no obligation to run and hide or close doors. The only reason I would close a door would be to give me time to get to my shotgun.

I wonder what it feels like to be a run and hide kind of person?

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So what are the first resort weapons? Harsh language and a cell phone?

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That's stupid, just because someone broke into your house and you have to use a weapon to protect yourself doesn't mean that you have made no effort to keep them out. Yes, I know that is not what you said, it's what you implied.

It's neither what I said nor what I implied. If you look further upthread, you'll see that I said that guns can be an effective weapon when it comes to last resorts and home defense.

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Some of you tend to lay out a lot of all or nothing scenarios.

Some of you keep building up straw men.

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If you reread my posts, you'll see that I haven't suggested disarming people.

You have several times stated that citizens do not need to be armed.

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I'm just realistic about the usefulness and limitations of guns.

No, your OPINION is that you are realistic. That is not the same as a fact and no more valid than someone else's opinion.

[jcd11235 0]

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If you reread my posts, you'll see that I haven't suggested disarming people.

You have several times stated that citizens do not need to be armed.

You don't see the difference in someone choosing not to carry a gun and someone being legally prohibited from carrying a gun? If I choose to refrain from calling someone a prick, my right to free speech has not been violated.

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***I'm just realistic about the usefulness and limitations of guns.

No, your OPINION is that you are realistic. That is not the same as a fact and no more valid than someone else's opinion.

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Your tools are only effective in the prevention side, have little value in an actual self defense situation.

Smart people tend to expend their energy on prevention rather than reaction.

They don't ignore reaction, though. And when your tool list includes given, like doors, locks, and telephones, I question your intent. Even the pet is only effective against opportunistic crime - bad guys who are looking for an easy score. If you are the objective (angry boyfriend or "friend" who likes your toys), then these prevention steps do not contribute greatly and you need to focus on reaction.

There's a reason why death rates are higher for people after they get a gun. Many of them got a gun for a reason. But they would be much more effective with that weapon had they gotten it further in advance, instead of focusing merely on prevention and court orders.

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Just because they like knowing they can protect their family if two or more people invade the house does not mean they run around in fear.

I agree that guns can be useful last resort home defense weapons.

So what are the first resort weapons? Harsh language and a cell phone?

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Even the pet is only effective against opportunistic crime - bad guys who are looking for an easy score. If you are the objective (angry boyfriend or "friend" who likes your toys), then these prevention steps do not contribute greatly and you need to focus on reaction.

Crimes of opportunity are easier to prevent. Having a gun is much less useful if you're being specifically targeted. The "friend" who wants your toys is going to avoid taking them while you are there to protect them. Your angry boyfriend will know your routine well enough to exploit it to his advantage.

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any of them got a gun for a reason. But they would be much more effective with that weapon had they gotten it further in advance, instead of focusing merely on prevention and court orders.

Of course, if they had gotten the gun much earlier, the predator might know about it and plan an attack accordingly, severely mitigating any benefit the firearm could provide.

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Of course, if they had gotten the gun much earlier, the predator might know about it and plan an attack accordingly, severely mitigating any benefit the firearm could provide.

It's always easier to attack a sheep than a lion. The risk of getting hurt of killed goes from basically zero to significant. Why do our cops carry guns?

Or as we said during the Cold War, Peace through Strength.

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Or, the attacker might have decided not to attack.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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Or, the attacker might have decided not to attack.

That's probably only the case in some of the crimes of opportunity.

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I thought you were talking about a planned attack?

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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It's always easier to attack a sheep than a lion. The risk of getting hurt of killed goes from basically zero to significant.

Not carrying a gun does not make one a helpless sheep. (Nor does carrying one doesn't keep one from being a sheep.)

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I thought you were talking about a planned attack?

I was. Knowing the victim carries a gun isn't likely to prevent such targeted attacks. Planning can overcome most any such safeguards.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Or, the attacker might have decided not to attack.

That's probably only the case in some of the crimes of opportunity.

risk/reward is done in all attacks, not just opportunistic ones. That jealous boyfriend who sees no problem with knocking around his 100lb girlfriend has a very different calculation when he faces the chance of getting killed for it. Now he just shouts and talks badly about her to friends.

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It's always easier to attack a sheep than a lion. The risk of getting hurt of killed goes from basically zero to significant.

Not carrying a gun does not make one a helpless sheep. (Nor does carrying one doesn't keep one from being a sheep.)

If the bad guy has a gun and you do not, you're a sheep.

If the bad guy outweighs you by 100lbs (real weight, not lard) and you do not have a gun, you're probably a sheep.

It's about his ability to inflict harm without risk of retribution from you. When it's unequal, he acts freely. When Colt makes you equal, survival instincts change his behavior.

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risk/reward is done in all attacks, not just opportunistic ones. That jealous boyfriend who sees no problem with knocking around his 100lb girlfriend has a very different calculation when he faces the chance of getting killed for it. Now he just shouts and talks badly about her to friends.

Knowing that you have a gun would almost certainly affect the jealous boyfriend's planning. However, it's easy enough to him to plan ahead and execute his attack in a manner that mitigates any advantage the gun might otherwise provide to his victim.

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If the bad guy has a gun and you do not, you're a sheep.

You've seen too many movies.

Guns aren't the SuperWeapon that you make the out to be.

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risk/reward is done in all attacks, not just opportunistic ones. That jealous boyfriend who sees no problem with knocking around his 100lb girlfriend has a very different calculation when he faces the chance of getting killed for it. Now he just shouts and talks badly about her to friends.

Knowing that you have a gun would almost certainly affect the jealous boyfriend's planning. However, it's easy enough to him to plan ahead and execute his attack in a manner that mitigates any advantage the gun might otherwise provide to his victim.

Are you speaking from experience, or are you just making guesses?

It's much easier to defend than to attack. The defender has no choice, but the attacker has to put his neck on the line. The cheetah is a good example in nature. I've watch a pair spend an hour stalking prey and then deciding not to proceed.

Think about the ways that boyfriend can fail - he can get shot, which even if he hits her is still a loss. She might have company that makes it 2:1. He can blow it entirely and now be wanted by the police for attempted homicide. There's nothing easy about ensuring success.

[kelpdiver 2]

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If the bad guy has a gun and you do not, you're a sheep.

You've seen too many movies.

Guns aren't the SuperWeapon that you make the out to be.

and yet you say that for the bad guy, it is in fact a super weapon when the target has one too? WTF?

[jcd11235 0]

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It's much easier to defend than to attack. The defender has no choice, but the attacker has to put his neck on the line.

The advantage goes to the attacker. He decides the time, place, method, everything. He also has the ability to delay his attack if things look like they won't go in his favor.

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You've seen too many movies.

Guns aren't the SuperWeapon that you make the out to be.

and yet you say that for the bad guy, it is in fact a super weapon when the target has one too? WTF?

The advantage is in the planning and execution much more than the weapons. Most any group of civilians, no matter how well armed, could be taken by surprise and overwhelmed.

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