How do you stop massacres by mentally unstable people?

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The difference between this thread and the other is simply the tools are missing, I suspect that by removing the tools from the debate might be much more useful than leaving them in. We've all seen a child who hits their friend over the head with a toy, take away the toy and you can guarantee that the child will simply hit their friend over the head again with something else. So if taking away their toys doesn't work then the problem must be with the person not the implement. So this is a much more difficult question.

How do you stop massacres by mentally unstable people?

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[winsor 236]

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The difference between this thread and the other is simply the tools are missing, I suspect that by removing the tools from the debate might be much more useful than leaving them in. We've all seen a child who hits their friend over the head with a toy, take away the toy and you can guarantee that the child will simply hit their friend over the head again with something else. So if taking away their toys doesn't work then the problem must be with the person not the implement. So this is a much more difficult question.

How do you stop massacres by mentally unstable people?

I really don't know. I suspect there is no "solution" per se.

As you note, one does not need a firearm to cause a real problem.

Putting nutcases in looney bins sounds good, but totalitarian organizations (completely unlike the good old US of A, mind you) have been known to abuse the hell out of such policies.

The balancing act between public safety and individual rights is a tough one. TSA is much more of a threat to our way of live than Al Qaeda could hope to be.

Though I still like "Inglorious Basterds," the screening in Colorado leaves me feeling sick.


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Winsor

[Andy9o8 2]

They can take away my mentally unstable person when they pry him from my cold, dead hands.

[sundevil777 102]

Are there massacres by those that are not mentally unstable?

So, how do we stop massacres?

It would require some type of check (and often enough) to confirm that everyone isn't so unstable as to capable of such an act. Not likely to happen.

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[Skyrad 0]

Yes plenty in times of war and civil unrest.

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They can take away my mentally unstable person when they pry him from my cold, dead hands.

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[Fast 0]

Maybe this will come as a shock, but - you can't.

If you go back in time and consider the different things that crazy people did and how they were handled it becomes pretty clear that in a modern society there isn't really a way to stop these things before they happen. The best that we can hope for is controlling it when it does.

Historically, stuff like this was handled by weeding these people out before they could become a problem. That's not about to happen in our society because everything is "fixable" by some therapy or medication, at least so they say.

People used to be more capable of defending themselves because society was just set up different. In way back times, the village lunatic would just be beaten to death or cast out if he tried to go against the norms of the time and that solved most of the problems. In medieval times disease got most of the people who couldn't take care of themselves and the nobles killed the rest of the lunatics. In the old west, the lunatics got better weapons, but just about everyone was walking around with some form of personal protection so they really didn't ever get that far.

In modern society, regardless of what you ban or what restrictions you put on what you can buy or own, people will come up with creative ways to murder other people. The crazies aren't getting weeded out of the population because little johnny who likes to stomp on frogs and kill cats/dogs/pets/etc is just mal-adjusted and needs to be medicated. If he somehow manages to pro-create that carries those genes on and little johnny jr gets taught what's right by a lunatic. It just compounds itself.

Society is devolving in many ways. Sure, technology is advancing and there are a whole host of very smart people out there, but the lower end and even in the middle parts of society, the way people behave and what they are being taught about personal responsibility is slipping.

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The issue is being focused on the mentally ill.

How about the simple question of "how do you stop massacres?" People are far more willing to propose solutions that sound despicable IF it is some other group that can be depersonalized.

It's far easier to kill a Jap, Gook, Kraut or a Raghead than it is to kill another person.

It's far more palatable to indefinitely detain a terrorist than it is to arrest a person and hold that person without the ability to try to get out.

It's far easier to detain a nutter.

It's far easier to come up with solutions for that person who is mentally ill, rather than ask the bigger question - how does one stop killings? Limiting the question to the mentally ill provides evidence, in my opinion, that people believe that the mentally ill are less worthy of rights that the sane sociopath.

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The difference between this thread and the other is simply the tools are missing, I suspect that by removing the tools from the debate might be much more useful than leaving them in. We've all seen a child who hits their friend over the head with a toy, take away the toy and you can guarantee that the child will simply hit their friend over the head again with something else. So if taking away their toys doesn't work then the problem must be with the person not the implement. So this is a much more difficult question.

How do you stop massacres by mentally unstable people?

I agree with winsor, "I really don't know. I suspect there is no "solution" per se."

The only reasonable position is to protect yourself, your family, your community and your country. You must be armed, trained and prepared. For the safety of your loved ones and yourself, you must be ready and able to stand your ground.

There must be at least one person in every family willing to assume the responsibility of the sheepdog. Someone in each family must be adept with survival techniques.

The only thing progressives know to do is make laws. The only thing anarchists and terrorists know to do is subvert them.

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There must be at least one person in every family willing to assume the responsibility of the sheepdog. Someone in each family must be adept with survival techniques.

Because, you know, when the kid is at the movies being shot at by a madman with military grade equipment and Dad is at home, that's really helpful.

The concept of a "sheepdog" family protector in this scenario is ridiculous.

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[RonD1120 62]

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There must be at least one person in every family willing to assume the responsibility of the sheepdog. Someone in each family must be adept with survival techniques.

Because, you know, when the kid is at the movies being shot at by a madman with military grade equipment and Dad is at home, that's really helpful.

The concept of a "sheepdog" family protector in this scenario is ridiculous.

Not when you take the second sentence into consideration. Please try to see the whole picture instead of practicing selective attention.

Explain why an adequately trained 18YO is not eligible to be the sheepdog?

Is it really wise to allow children to attend a midnight movie without a parent or sheepdog? If family survival training is observed and implemented the vulnerable members should be in a protective environment.

It is unreasonable to assume the police can protect every venue, especially between sunset and sunrise.

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Is it really wise to allow children to attend a midnight movie without a parent or sheepdog?

Absolutely. Happens millions upon millions of times every year without incident. It's how I grew up and I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt that at no time in my midnight movie attendance starting in high-school in the mid-'70s did I ever have to be concerned about a loonie walking into any of the theaters and spraying the audience with a hundred rounds out of a gun. Never. Not a single time.

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You ever try to find a baby sitter for midnight???

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Is it really wise to allow children to attend a midnight movie without a parent or sheepdog?

Absolutely. Happens millions upon millions of times every year without incident. It's how I grew up and I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt that at no time in my midnight movie attendance starting in high-school in the mid-'70s did I ever have to be concerned about a loonie walking into any of the theaters and spraying the audience with a hundred rounds out of a gun. Never. Not a single time.

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You ever try to find a baby sitter for midnight???

That's not what we're discussing. But to answer your question, no. I'm responsible enough to have never had to worry about such things.

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[billvon 3,085]

> I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt that at no time in my midnight movie
>attendance starting in high-school in the mid-'70s did I ever have to be concerned
>about a loonie walking into any of the theaters . . . .

But other than that, how was your night at the theater, Mrs. Lincoln?

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Excellent answer.

Interesting how sincere some people are about protecting those they love.

just sayin'

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> I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt that at no time in my midnight movie
>attendance starting in high-school in the mid-'70s did I ever have to be concerned
>about a loonie walking into any of the theaters . . . .

But other than that, how was your night at the theater, Mrs. Lincoln?

An Presidential assassination isn't the same thing, but thanks for playing.

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[billvon 3,085]

>An Presidential assassination isn't the same thing, but thanks for playing.

Sorry, was trying to make a joke.

But seriously, this sort of thing has been going on for quite some time.

Were you ever afraid of going to a McDonald's when you were a kid? Afraid that a crazed lunatic might spray the place with an automatic weapon? Happened right here in San Diego in 1984. A guy with an Uzi, a shotgun and a handgun (sound familiar?) killed 21 people and wounded 19.

Why weren't you worried about it? Probably because cable news and the Net weren't bombarding you with the news - and at that age you probably had other things to worry about anyway.

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Is it really wise to allow children to attend a midnight movie without a parent or sheepdog?

Absolutely. Happens millions upon millions of times every year without incident. It's how I grew up and I will tell you without a shadow of a doubt that at no time in my midnight movie attendance starting in high-school in the mid-'70s did I ever have to be concerned about a loonie walking into any of the theaters and spraying the audience with a hundred rounds out of a gun. Never. Not a single time.

Has it ever happened before? I can't recall any mass shooting at a theater before.

Far too many people believe that because it hasn't happened yet that it can't or won't happen in the future.

I tend to align with DavJohns or Normiss that I pay attention to my surroundings, I make sure I have at least 2 exits, and I try to not sit with my back to the crowd or the door.

I really don't think anything can be done without seriously restricting personal rights and civil liberties.

We live in a dangerous world.
You stand a far, far greater chance of being taken out by a teenager driving and texting than being shot in a mass shooting.

Where's the outrage about that?

Where's the "let's come up with a system that you can't have the phone on and the car running at the same time." Should be really simple to create an interlock to do that.
And it would save 10, 20, 100 or more times the number of people that were killed and injured in Colorado.

Are we interested in saving lives?

Or are we more interested in "killing the Boogeyman" so that we can feel safe? Without actually being safer in any real meaningful sense.

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BOOM.

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BOOM.

No pun intended, I'm sure...

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[Skyrad 0]

Not at all, but I'm talking about people who are detached from reality. People like the Norwegian killer or the guy who thinks he is the Joker. Its simply not possible to stop some killings, the crimes of passion for example, someone comes home to find their other half taking it from behind from another person in their bed and flip out for example. But people detached from reality tend to be the ones who commit massacres (outside of a war scenario).

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The difference between this thread and the other is simply the tools are missing, I suspect that by removing the tools from the debate might be much more useful than leaving them in. We've all seen a child who hits their friend over the head with a toy, take away the toy and you can guarantee that the child will simply hit their friend over the head again with something else. So if taking away their toys doesn't work then the problem must be with the person not the implement. So this is a much more difficult question.

How do you stop massacres by mentally unstable people?

I agree with winsor, "I really don't know. I suspect there is no "solution" per se."

The only reasonable position is to protect yourself, your family, your community and your country. You must be armed, trained and prepared. For the safety of your loved ones and yourself, you must be ready and able to stand your ground.

There must be at least one person in every family willing to assume the responsibility of the sheepdog. Someone in each family must be adept with survival techniques.

The only thing progressives know to do is make laws. The only thing anarchists and terrorists know to do is subvert them.

So your answer is to be reactive not proactive, prepare for the fight rather than have society prevent the fight in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I agree that you need to be prepared but I also think that prevention is better than cure.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[RonD1120 62]

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I agree with winsor, "I really don't know. I suspect there is no "solution" per se."

The only reasonable position is to protect yourself, your family, your community and your country. You must be armed, trained and prepared. For the safety of your loved ones and yourself, you must be ready and able to stand your ground.

There must be at least one person in every family willing to assume the responsibility of the sheepdog. Someone in each family must be adept with survival techniques.

The only thing progressives know to do is make laws. The only thing anarchists and terrorists know to do is subvert them.

So your answer is to be reactive not proactive, prepare for the fight rather than have society prevent the fight in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I agree that you need to be prepared but I also think that prevention is better than cure.