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muff528 3
Quote>Voter fraud is voter disenfranchisement.
No, it's not. Having someone vote who is not eligible to vote is voter fraud. Preventing someone from voting is voter disenfranchisement.
It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
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It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
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QuoteQuote>Voter fraud is voter disenfranchisement.
No, it's not. Having someone vote who is not eligible to vote is voter fraud. Preventing someone from voting is voter disenfranchisement.
It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
The effect is not the same. When the state prevents a person from voting they are denied their right to cast a vote.
When an inelligeble voter impersonates and votes in place of the elligible voter, the elligible voter will find out about it when they show up to vote and will be able to report it. Pennsylvania has admitted that there are no such reports to back up it's claim that their voter I.D. law is necessary to solve a problem.
billvon 3,116
>The effect is the same.
When you put it that way - you're right! And war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. The effects are often the same, so they must be the same.
When you put it that way - you're right! And war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. The effects are often the same, so they must be the same.
muff528 3
QuoteQuoteQuote>Voter fraud is voter disenfranchisement.
No, it's not. Having someone vote who is not eligible to vote is voter fraud. Preventing someone from voting is voter disenfranchisement.
It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
The effect is not the same. When the state prevents a person from voting they are denied their right to cast a vote.
In the scenario I gave, the effect is quite the same. He is not being prevented from voting. The ineligible voter is voting in addition to the eligible voter and cancelling the legal vote. Same thing as preventing the lawful voter from entering the polling place ...he's been "disenfranchised".
QuoteWhen an inelligeble voter impersonates and votes in place of the elligible voter, ...
Yes, this is yet another way voter fraud can occur.
Quote... the elligible voter will find out about it when they show up to vote and will be able to report it.
How will the authorities know which voter is the eligible one?
QuotePennsylvania has admitted that there are no such reports to back up it's claim that their voter I.D. law is necessary to solve a problem.
meh.
jgoose71 0
No where in the constitution does it say you need to register to vote. But people do.
And when I Register my name is Mickey Mouse. Last four of my social is 1-2-3-4. 
Prove me wrong.
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muff528 3
billvon 3,116
>FIFY
Even better! Ignore everything, and just define the argument in your own terms.
"Allowing handguns is the same as allowing murder!"
"Starting a war with Iraq is the same as declaring war against your own people."
I like it.
Even better! Ignore everything, and just define the argument in your own terms.
"Allowing handguns is the same as allowing murder!"
"Starting a war with Iraq is the same as declaring war against your own people."
I like it.
sundevil777 102
Quote>The effect is the same.
When you put it that way - you're right! And war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength. The effects are often the same, so they must be the same.
That is "registering" way up the crappy analogy meter! All of that practice is showing results.
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muff528 3
Quote....Ignore everything, ....
Well, I was suggesting that you, Chango and the State of Pennsylvania were the ones ignoring "everything".
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>Voter fraud is voter disenfranchisement.
No, it's not. Having someone vote who is not eligible to vote is voter fraud. Preventing someone from voting is voter disenfranchisement.
It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
The effect is not the same. When the state prevents a person from voting they are denied their right to cast a vote.
In the scenario I gave, the effect is quite the same. He is not being prevented from voting. The ineligible voter is voting in addition to the eligible voter and cancelling the legal vote. Same thing as preventing the lawful voter from entering the polling place ...he's been "disenfranchised".QuoteWhen an inelligeble voter impersonates and votes in place of the elligible voter, ...
Yes, this is yet another way voter fraud can occur.Quote... the elligible voter will find out about it when they show up to vote and will be able to report it.
How will the authorities know which voter is the eligible one?QuotePennsylvania has admitted that there are no such reports to back up it's claim that their voter I.D. law is necessary to solve a problem.
meh.
Nice example
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It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
seems to be a presumption that they will vote exactly opposite to each other here...
The Florida GOP attack, er I mean voter purge, gives us a sense of the relative numbers of disenfranchised - well in excess of any documented fraud by at least an order of magnitude.
muff528 3
Quote....
seems to be a presumption that they will vote exactly opposite to each other here...
No matter which way the cheater votes he will cancel someone's legal vote. Why are you assuming that all the fraudsters are on one side?
QuoteThe Florida GOP attack, er I mean voter purge, gives us a sense of the relative numbers of disenfranchised - well in excess of any documented fraud by at least an order of magnitude.
We don't know that ...it hasn't been documented yet.
killler 2
Let's see.... You have voter registration fraud and then you have voter fraud....
You can play the game over and over again... Vote 10, 15, or 20 times.... No ID is all you need... To register to vote all you need is a voter drive were the person is crooked....
A Picture ID at the voting station makes voter fraud a lot less likely... It's really simple.... If you want to vote , get a ID...
killler...
Edited to add.... I have " 5 " state and federal picture ID's in my wallet at all times.... Plus " 3 " non government picture ID's....
You can play the game over and over again... Vote 10, 15, or 20 times.... No ID is all you need... To register to vote all you need is a voter drive were the person is crooked....
A Picture ID at the voting station makes voter fraud a lot less likely... It's really simple.... If you want to vote , get a ID...
killler...
Edited to add.... I have " 5 " state and federal picture ID's in my wallet at all times.... Plus " 3 " non government picture ID's....
DaVinci 0
QuoteThe poll worker himself said he would let the lady vote. What prevents him from doing that?
The fact that in 94 years she apparently never got an ID and he is just following the law.
You tried to claim this was voter disenfranchisement, when really it is just simply laziness on her part. She could not be bothered to get an ID in 94 years. That is not even close to what you are trying to claim.
DaVinci 0
Quote"Voter fraud doesn't matter"
This really highlights the issue with you guys. It really does.
Bingo
DaVinci 0
QuoteAll you have to do to count is to contact everyone who voted and verify that it was actually them using their registration info.
Or much easier and much more cost effective is to just ask to see ID when they ask to vote.
DaVinci 0
QuoteSame place as it says a license is not needed to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.
Yet one is required to buy a gun..... You just lost.
kallend 2,148
QuoteQuote>Voter fraud is voter disenfranchisement.
No, it's not. Having someone vote who is not eligible to vote is voter fraud. Preventing someone from voting is voter disenfranchisement.
It doesn't make much difference to a voter whether he is prevented from voting or has his vote negated by an ineligible voter's fraudulent vote. The effect is the same.
ALMOST, since
-(-1) = +1
Just like a tax penalty for not having health insurance has the same effect on the outcome as a tax credit for having it in the ACA.
However, in the vote case it ass-umes that there is no bias in the voting inclination of the frauds and the disenfranchised. After all, it could be the case that they reinforce each other.
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QuoteLet's see.... You have voter registration fraud and then you have voter fraud....
You can play the game over and over again... Vote 10, 15, or 20 times.... No ID is all you need... To register to vote all you need is a voter drive were the person is crooked....
A Picture ID at the voting station makes voter fraud a lot less likely... It's really simple.... If you want to vote , get a ID...
killler...
Edited to add.... I have " 5 " state and federal picture ID's in my wallet at all times.... Plus " 3 " non government picture ID's....
So a pickpocket gets 8 forms of ID? Whee!
If that person successfully registers 10,15,20 times as you suggest, wouldn't they opt for absentee ballots rather than try to figure out how to vote 20 times without being recognized, and to save the trouble of creating 20 fake IDs?
No, it's not. Having someone vote who is not eligible to vote is voter fraud. Preventing someone from voting is voter disenfranchisement.
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