muff528 3 #26 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteFALSE. The poll worker does not get to look at your ID and make a choice if you get to vote. The poll worker only checks to see if you have the required documentation. It is not the poll workers fault she was too lazy to get a single form of ID in 90+ years. The poll worker himself said he would let the lady vote. What prevents him from doing that? Do you think he's a liar? That poll worker, by his dereliction, potentially disenfranchised a lawful voter by possibly allowing his vote to be cancelled. He needs to be relieved of duty. We are concerned about each and every voter's rights, aren't we? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #27 July 24, 2012 QuoteRon Aker sounds like a crappy and lazy son. I'd take my mom to get an ID. I would do the same. But lazy people have the right to vote. Since there is no evidence that in-person voter fraud is or has taken place, there is no justifiable reason to require everyone to have an ID to vote, especially since that ensures that thousands of lazy citizens will be denied their right to vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #28 July 24, 2012 Quote.... But again, we don't see the voter fraud numbers to justify disenfranchisement. And even though there are multiple claims of fraud at every election, we can't know how much voter fraud exists until we start counting. Problem is that some folks don't want that answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #29 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteFALSE. The poll worker does not get to look at your ID and make a choice if you get to vote. The poll worker only checks to see if you have the required documentation. It is not the poll workers fault she was too lazy to get a single form of ID in 90+ years. The poll worker himself said he would let the lady vote. What prevents him from doing that? Do you think he's a liar? That poll worker, by his dereliction, potentially disenfranchised a lawful voter by possibly allowing his vote to be cancelled. He needs to be relieved of duty. We are concerned about each and every voter's rights, aren't we? OK. So we have a lying, derelict, poll worker. Agreed? Just the kind of guy who can be counted on to look the other way when grandma can't produce an I.D.. For the guy who looks "different" it's, "PAPERS PLEASE!" See how that works? Remember: The State has admitted that there is no compelling reason to require the I.D. to vote in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #30 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuote.... But again, we don't see the voter fraud numbers to justify disenfranchisement. And even though there are multiple claims of fraud at every election, we can't know how much voter fraud exists until we start counting. Problem is that some folks don't want that answer. All you have to do to count is to contact everyone who voted and verify that it was actually them using their registration info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #31 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFALSE. The poll worker does not get to look at your ID and make a choice if you get to vote. The poll worker only checks to see if you have the required documentation. It is not the poll workers fault she was too lazy to get a single form of ID in 90+ years. The poll worker himself said he would let the lady vote. What prevents him from doing that? Do you think he's a liar? That poll worker, by his dereliction, potentially disenfranchised a lawful voter by possibly allowing his vote to be cancelled. He needs to be relieved of duty. We are concerned about each and every voter's rights, aren't we? OK. So we have a lying, derelict, poll worker. Agreed? So it appears. QuoteJust the kind of guy who can be counted on to look the other way when grandma can't produce an I.D.. For the guy who looks "different" it's, "PAPERS PLEASE!" See how that works? Did he do that or are you saying he could do that? Either way, he has demonstrated that he is willing to commit voter fraud. QuoteRemember: The State has admitted that there is no compelling reason to require the I.D. to vote in the first place. Did the poll worker commit fraud or not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #32 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote Quote .... But again, we don't see the voter fraud numbers to justify disenfranchisement. And even though there are multiple claims of fraud at every election, we can't know how much voter fraud exists until we start counting. Problem is that some folks don't want that answer. All you have to do to count is to contact everyone who voted and verify that it was actually them using their registration info. Easiest and most efficient way to do that is right there at the poll ...face to face. Finally we agree! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #33 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote FALSE. The poll worker does not get to look at your ID and make a choice if you get to vote. The poll worker only checks to see if you have the required documentation. It is not the poll workers fault she was too lazy to get a single form of ID in 90+ years. The poll worker himself said he would let the lady vote. What prevents him from doing that? Do you think he's a liar? That poll worker, by his dereliction, potentially disenfranchised a lawful voter by possibly allowing his vote to be cancelled. He needs to be relieved of duty. We are concerned about each and every voter's rights, aren't we? OK. So we have a lying, derelict, poll worker. Agreed? So it appears. Quote Just the kind of guy who can be counted on to look the other way when grandma can't produce an I.D.. For the guy who looks "different" it's, "PAPERS PLEASE!" See how that works? Did he do that or are you saying he could do that? Either way, he has demonstrated that he is willing to commit voter fraud. It doesn't fucking matter! (excuse my english ) The voter I.D. law in isn't preventing voter fraud. It's just giving him a justification to ask for "PAPERS PLEASE" at his discretion. Quote Remember: The State has admitted that there is no compelling reason to require the I.D. to vote in the first place. Did the poll worker commit fraud or not? Again. That's irrelevant. The only thing the voter I.D. law accomplishes is making it more difficult for citizens to vote. It doesn't solve any other problem. There is no evidence of in-person voter fraud to justify potentially making it difficult for hundreds of thousands of citizens to vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #34 July 24, 2012 Quote ........ Did he do that or are you saying he could do that? Either way, he has demonstrated that he is willing to commit voter fraud. It doesn't fucking matter! (excuse my english ) The voter I.D. law in isn't preventing voter fraud. It's just giving him a justification to ask for "PAPERS PLEASE" at his discretion. Quote Remember: The State has admitted that there is no compelling reason to require the I.D. to vote in the first place. Did the poll worker commit fraud or not? Again. That's irrelevant. The only thing the voter I.D. law accomplishes is making it more difficult for citizens to vote. It doesn't solve any other problem. There is no evidence of in-person voter fraud to justify potentially making it difficult for hundreds of thousands of citizens to vote. To quote the poster from post #7: "It's not about grandma. It's about the fact that the poll worker decides who gets in and who doesn't. Voter ID laws simply provide them with the ability to turn away the guy who looks strange while going ahead and allowing grandma to vote." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #35 July 25, 2012 Quote, especially since that ensures that thousands of lazy citizens will be denied their right to vote. and that's why the democrats are so scared of it? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 July 25, 2012 Quote he has demonstrated that he is willing to commit voter fraud. It doesn't fucking matter! (excuse my english ) . . . Did the poll worker commit fraud or not? Again. That's irrelevant. "Voter fraud doesn't matter" This really highlights the issue with you guys. It really does. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #37 July 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhere in the Constitution does it say that it's OK to deny lazy people the right to vote? Where does it say an ID is not needed? Same place as it says a license is not needed to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #38 July 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere in the Constitution does it say that it's OK to deny lazy people the right to vote? Where does it say an ID is not needed? Same place as it says a license is not needed to exercise your 2nd amendment rights. An ID is not a license. Technically, an ID is required to buy or take delivery of a firearm ...even through a private transfer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #39 July 25, 2012 When I lived in Austin, every time I wen to the DMV it was a half a day affair. Lines were horrendous. It's a couple hours in a more rural area now, but still a lot for a 94 lady who probably doesn't drive and would have no need for an id other than to vote. The dmv never had nearly enough seating either. If you don't fly on airlines, look old enough to buy alcohol, don't drive, and don't write checks, you don't really have much need for a picture id. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #40 July 25, 2012 Quote "Voter fraud doesn't matter" This really highlights the issue with you guys. It really does. Present the evidence for that. so far we got individual cases that don't even add up to statistical noise. Proponents want to spend more than a million dollars per illegal vote...and in the meanwhile will disenfranchise far more. Hardly seems like progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #41 July 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way. But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote. To be fair she is not too lazy to vote. She "managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote." She is just too lazy to get a f'n ID over a period of 94 years. Either that or her lazy-ass son couldn't take a little time to get her down to the DMV to get her an ID. No, she's too damn lazy to get an absentee ballot and mail it in. ID on there is the last four of the SSN. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #42 July 25, 2012 >This really highlights the issue with you guys Congratulations, I think you've finally made the jump to a 100% SC poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #43 July 25, 2012 http://www.kentucky.com/2010/03/26/1197075/jury-convicts-all-8-defendants.html Apparently, this is just the tip of the iceburg. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #44 July 25, 2012 QuoteQuote "Voter fraud doesn't matter" This really highlights the issue with you guys. It really does. Present the evidence for that. so far we got individual cases that don't even add up to statistical noise. Proponents want to spend more than a million dollars per illegal vote...and in the meanwhile will disenfranchise far more. Hardly seems like progress. Don't need to spend millions. Just check voters' IDs at the polls. I really don't understand why this is so difficult when it is being done without issue at thousands of polling places. Of course there will be the occasional glitch where clerical errors, changes in residence, etc. will appear. Just deal with those issues individually at the local level. Doesn't hurt the election officials to do a little extra work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #45 July 25, 2012 Why do you want me to have a back round check, Picture ID and a Waiting period to own a firearm... Why do you want me to have a picture ID to fly on a airplane... Why do you want me to have a picture ID to buy beer and cigarettes .... BUT.....I should be able to walk in off the street and VOTE without a ID...I think your counting on voter fraud to win..... killler... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #46 July 25, 2012 Quotehttp://www.kentucky.com/2010/03/26/1197075/jury-convicts-all-8-defendants.html Apparently, this is just the tip of the iceburg. It also has no bearing on the current discussion. "Participants checked lists of voters to identify those who would take bribes and lined up people to drive them to the polls, where complicit precinct workers made sure they voted correctly and gave them a sticker or ticket to redeem for payment, according to the indictment and testimony." Voter ID wouldn't solve this problem. This has absolutely nothing to do with voter I.D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 July 25, 2012 Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this thread was about Voter Fraud. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #48 July 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote "Voter fraud doesn't matter" This really highlights the issue with you guys. It really does. Present the evidence for that. so far we got individual cases that don't even add up to statistical noise. Proponents want to spend more than a million dollars per illegal vote...and in the meanwhile will disenfranchise far more. Hardly seems like progress. Don't need to spend millions. Just check voters' IDs at the polls. I really don't understand why this is so difficult when it is being done without issue at thousands of polling places. Of course there will be the occasional glitch where clerical errors, changes in residence, etc. will appear. Just deal with those issues individually at the local level. Doesn't hurt the election officials to do a little extra work. There are no cases of in-person voter fraud where an I.D. would help. The State has conceded that point. So, the only effect of the voter I.D. law is really to introduce more paperwork and possible glitches that will make it more difficult for hundreds of thousands of citizens to vote. There's simply no reasonable justification for the voter I.D. law in Pennsylvania. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #49 July 25, 2012 QuoteOh, I'm sorry. I thought this thread was about Voter Fraud. It's about the unconstitutional Pennsylvania voter I.D. law. It's about voter I.D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #50 July 25, 2012 Quote Quote Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this thread was about Voter Fraud. It's about the unconstitutional Pennsylvania voter I.D. law. It's about voter I.D. I guess the thread title threw me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
