Pennsylvania Admits There’s No In-Person Voter Fraud

[ChangoLanzao 0]

An interesting comment (Ron Aker) on how voter disenfranchisement actually works. Here's the article: CLICKY

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I voted in the Pennslyvania primary. An old white male Democrat in a mostly Republican suburban small town. Voting. There was a trail run on the vother ID law, voters were asked for ID, but not required to show it to vote. It was very slow so a civic minded old white male working polling place asked me what I thought of the Voter ID law. I told him it was totally voter suppression. He said no it was to prevent voter fraud. I said my 94 year old mother in law would never vote again. That is true, she's not about to get out the walker and spend a full day's effort getting to a place to get an ID, that at 94 she may only use once in her life. Even though she does follow the news and has opinions. Likes Elliot Spitzer for some reason.

He said if was working the voter area he would let her vote, and I went to the voter machine. That's the point though, of course he would let her vote, anyone with a brain and compassion would let an old lady who has been tending the grave of her first husband for 67 years and managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote. The strange looking young male isn't going to get near the ballot without having complete documentation.

The law is proof that Republicans do not believe in the will of the people. There is no need. Glen Beck can channel the founding fathers and tell us the Biblical Truth.[

[devildog 0]

Hmmmm. Where have I seen voter supression before in PA? Oh yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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Hmmmm. Where have I seen voter supression before in PA? Oh yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

That's all you've got?

[Andy9o8 2]

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Hmmmm. Where have I seen voter supression before in PA? Oh yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

That's all you've got?

Scary Negroes. What more does he need?

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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Hmmmm. Where have I seen voter supression before in PA? Oh yeah!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

That's all you've got?

Scary Negroes. What more does he need?

Scary Mexicans?

[DaVinci 0]

So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

It's not about grandma. It's about the fact that the poll worker decides who gets in and who doesn't. Voter ID laws simply provide them with the ability to turn away the guy who looks strange while going ahead and allowing grandma to vote.

[muff528 3]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

To be fair she is not too lazy to vote. She "managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote."
She is just too lazy to get a f'n ID over a period of 94 years. Either that or her lazy-ass son couldn't take a little time to get her down to the DMV to get her an ID.

[muff528 3]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

It's not about grandma. It's about the fact that the poll worker decides who gets in and who doesn't. Voter ID laws simply provide them with the ability to turn away the guy who looks strange while going ahead and allowing grandma to vote.

I'd think that an ID would prevent that from happening. At my precinct my name is already on the list (from voter registration.) I tell them my name, they ask for my ID, they reconcile the ID with the list and they hand me a ballot. No muss, no fuss. I'm usually standing in line with predominantly hispanic and black voters and anyone with an ID and a matching name on the list votes.

[kelpdiver 2]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

To be fair she is not too lazy to vote. She "managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote."
She is just too lazy to get a f'n ID over a period of 94 years. Either that or her lazy-ass son couldn't take a little time to get her down to the DMV to get her an ID.

Ok, so we see support for disenfranchising her and others like her as a cost of stopping voter fraud.

But again, we don't see the voter fraud numbers to justify disenfranchisement.

[muff528 3]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

To be fair she is not too lazy to vote. She "managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote."
She is just too lazy to get a f'n ID over a period of 94 years. Either that or her lazy-ass son couldn't take a little time to get her down to the DMV to get her an ID.

Ok, so we see support for disenfranchising her and others like her as a cost of stopping voter fraud.

But again, we don't see the voter fraud numbers to justify disenfranchisement.

This is the disconnect. I have yet to hear how someone who can register to vote cannot get an ID. You have voter drives where volunteers take carloads of folks to registration sites. Why can't they also help them get IDs? Why is the prospect of disenfranchising someone who votes illegally more egregious than that voter disenfranchising a lawful registered voter with that unlawful vote? Just get a fucking ID!

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This is the disconnect. I have yet to hear how someone who can register to vote cannot get an ID. You have voter drives where volunteers take carloads of folks to registration sites. Why can't they also help them get IDs? Why is the prospect of disenfranchising someone who votes illegally more egregious than that voter disenfranchising a lawful registered voter with that unlawful vote? Just get a fucking ID!

I don't really care if you or others think this elderly woman is lazy, even if she may have last registered before you were born. I care about the end effect - Americans being denied their right to vote. Yes, people have duty of care and the SecState of each state/city needs to work to ensure proper elections....but THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD.

Particularly for those who despise intrusive government (hello, Davinci and other GOP hard liners), the Feds should tread lightly into existing problems to solve them. But here, we have a solution in search of a problem. By amazing coincidence, it results in the disenfranchisement of voters who just happen to bias towards the opposite party. Completely unrelated, of course. We just want to spend millions for nothing. That's the GOP motto, right?

[DaVinci 0]

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It's not about grandma.

That is not what you said in the first post. And if it was not about her.... Then why did you use her as an example?

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It's about the fact that the poll worker decides who gets in and who doesn't.

FALSE. The poll worker does not get to look at your ID and make a choice if you get to vote. The poll worker only checks to see if you have the required documentation. It is not the poll workers fault she was too lazy to get a single form of ID in 90+ years.

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Voter ID laws simply provide them with the ability to turn away the guy who looks strange while going ahead and allowing grandma to vote.

FALSE again. If you have ID you can vote.

You need to stop lying about the facts.

[billvon 3,085]

>Why can't they also help them get IDs?

They can. They can also get passports, or chips implanted under their skin. And requiring all of those things would have the same effect on voter fraud - none.

Before you add a law to stop a problem, you first have to have a problem to stop.

[muff528 3]

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This is the disconnect. I have yet to hear how someone who can register to vote cannot get an ID. You have voter drives where volunteers take carloads of folks to registration sites. Why can't they also help them get IDs? Why is the prospect of disenfranchising someone who votes illegally more egregious than that voter disenfranchising a lawful registered voter with that unlawful vote? Just get a fucking ID!

I don't really care if you or others think this elderly woman is lazy, even if she may have last registered before you were born. I care about the end effect - Americans being denied their right to vote. Yes, people have duty of care and the SecState of each state/city needs to work to ensure proper elections....but THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD.

Particularly for those who despise intrusive government (hello, Davinci and other GOP hard liners), the Feds should tread lightly into existing problems to solve them. But here, we have a solution in search of a problem. By amazing coincidence, it results in the disenfranchisement of voters who just happen to bias towards the opposite party. Completely unrelated, of course. We just want to spend millions for nothing. That's the GOP motto, right?

Let me get this straight. This is an example of a lady who has no ID who did "manage to find her way to the voting place on the right day". She did vote without an ID if I understand the story. Not disenfranchised. If I understand the point of the story, old white ladies with no IDs do not get disenfranchised, and that somehow that is proof that a "strange looking young male" will be denied his right to vote and that this is because he is too lazy to go get an ID.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

To be fair she is not too lazy to vote. She "managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote."
She is just too lazy to get a f'n ID over a period of 94 years. Either that or her lazy-ass son couldn't take a little time to get her down to the DMV to get her an ID.

Where in the Constitution does it say that it's OK to deny lazy people the right to vote?

[DaVinci 0]

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Where in the Constitution does it say that it's OK to deny lazy people the right to vote?

Where does it say an ID is not needed?

[devildog 0]

I see your point. A group (AG of all people) that decides to throw away a slam dunk case of people using weapons to intimidate a polling place is okay, but a group from the govt that simply wants IDs is a heinous slight on humanity. Silly me!

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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FALSE. The poll worker does not get to look at your ID and make a choice if you get to vote. The poll worker only checks to see if you have the required documentation. It is not the poll workers fault she was too lazy to get a single form of ID in 90+ years.

The poll worker himself said he would let the lady vote. What prevents him from doing that? Do you think he's a liar?

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Let me get this straight. This is an example of a lady who has no ID who did "manage to find her way to the voting place on the right day". She did vote without an ID if I understand the story. Not disenfranchised. If I understand the point of the story, old white ladies with no IDs do not get disenfranchised, and that somehow that is proof that a "strange looking young male" will be denied his right to vote and that this is because he is too lazy to go get an ID.

Equal protection seems to be the concept you are missing.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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I see your point. A group (AG of all people) that decides to throw away a slam dunk case of people using weapons to intimidate a polling place is okay, but a group from the govt that simply wants IDs is a heinous slight on humanity. Silly me!

You need to brush up on your HookedOnPhonics.

I didn't say either of those things. And I'm not going to discuss the voter intimidation case with you here either. You're changing the subject. There's no point to what you are writing except divert attention from the subject of the OP until the whole discussion devolves into a bunch of confusing nonsense.

The State of Pennsylvania doesn't simply want ID's. They want to make it more difficult for people without ID's to vote. Just because. They have admitted that there is no problem that needs solving. Everybody knows the real reason they want to suppress the vote.

[devildog 0]

I'm not changing the subject. I'm simply addressing your insinuation that the evil repubs are looking to supress voters by requiring ID and the valiant, noble democrats are only interested in making sure people can vote without hassle.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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I'm not changing the subject. I'm simply addressing your insinuation that the evil repubs are looking to supress voters by requiring ID and the valiant, noble democrats are only interested in making sure people can vote without hassle.

There you go again. I didn't mention "evil repubs" at all. I didn't mention anything about "valiant, noble, democrats" either. As far as I can tell YOU are the one who has made those associations, all by yourself.

[muff528 3]

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So she is too lazy to vote then.... Lots of people feel that way.

But it is not disenfranchisement.... It is the story of ONE person (Not a statistically significant number) CHOOSING not to vote.

To be fair she is not too lazy to vote. She "managed to find a way voting place on the right day vote."
She is just too lazy to get a f'n ID over a period of 94 years. Either that or her lazy-ass son couldn't take a little time to get her down to the DMV to get her an ID.

Where in the Constitution does it say that it's OK to deny lazy people the right to vote?

Where in the Constitution does it say that it is the government's responsibility to spoon feed each and every citizen his rights?

[rehmwa 2]

Ron Aker sounds like a crappy and lazy son.

I'd take my mom to get an ID.

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