ChangoLanzao 0 #26 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Watch. This is what the truth sounds like. CLICKY It is not truth, it is just liberal spin. Let's not forget that Moyers was there at the beginning of President Johnson's Great Society ideology. One of the first experiments was Project 100,000. That was the drafting of 100,000 young men who could not attend college. Vietnam provided a guaranteed attrition to the Great Society funding. Liberal Democrats, consistently failing since 1964. Red herrings. Have nothing to do with anything he said in his editorial. Have nothing to do with the subject of this thread. But thanks for your insight! Sorry, I tend to type what comes into my head. Bill Moyers has no idea what the NRA stands for or what it does. He is nothing more than a life long liberal hack. Abeit, respected by many but not me. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a member of the NRA. Really? I never would have guessed! Incidentally, Bill'O has already addressed Moyer's editorial assay today with one of his apoplectic rants. He's jealous, I think, because Bill Moyers is a true journalist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ion01 2 #27 July 24, 2012 Adolf Hitler said: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty." The following link asks a great question :Gun Free Zones obviously do nothing to deter the mentally disturbed individual and merely unarm law-abiding citizens. Do Gun Free Zones schools such as Virginia Tech, which suffered a mass casualty shooting in 2008 have a responsibility to the safety of their students if they disarm them? http://www.scribd.com/doc/7876073/Gun-Free-Zones Think about it: How does laws regulate or control people who break the law? Answer: it doesn't. All it does is control those who do follow the law and, in the case of gun laws, put the power in the hands of criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 July 24, 2012 'Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership' Seriously??When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #29 July 24, 2012 Quote>That's not what several trained people have posted in this and other threads. Why would anyone in Speaker's Corner listen to what people who are actually trained think? Much better to imagine what they would think and then discuss that, and avoid the perils of direct experience. Because of opinion. Reasonable minds can differ, and it's all speculative, anyway. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #30 July 24, 2012 Quote Adolf Hitler said: "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty." So you want to be prepared to overthrow the United States government. I see. Hitler, shmitler. Germany had gun controls before Hitler came to power. It wasn't his idea. He actually made it easier for Germans to obtain guns with his 1938 gun control act. I've heard these insurrectionist arguments before. They are a serious threat to democracy. You're basically thinking that in America the people need to have free access to guns in order to defend themselves against the Government. This is YOUR government. If you want to preserve it, you can't justify taking up arms against it when it doesn't suit you anymore. That approach is fundamentally hostile to democracy. You need to take personal responsibility and work through the political process and abide by the law. The last thing we need is to have a bunch of gun nuts deciding for themselves that it's time to take up arms against the United States in order to save the rest of us from who knows what. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #31 July 24, 2012 you keep saying "democracy", yet you start your post referring to the US government. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Because it doesn't describe our system of government. edit to add: I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #32 July 24, 2012 Yawn..... The real 'enabler of death' is the anti gun groups and people that would prefer the masses not be allowed to fight back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 July 24, 2012 Amazing thing happened in Canada: Crime rate dropped 6% to lowest level since 1972, and the severity of crime index dropped 6%. One should keep in mind this was accomplished without handing out free guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 July 24, 2012 Quote Jews For the Preservation of Firearms Ownership I wanted to buy a baseball cap from their site. But they don't sell them...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #35 July 24, 2012 >The real 'enabler of death' is the anti gun groups and people that would >prefer the masses not be allowed to fight back. That's just as dumb as the original post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #36 July 24, 2012 QuoteAmazing thing happened in Canada: Crime rate dropped 6% to lowest level since 1972, and the severity of crime index dropped 6%. One should keep in mind this was accomplished without handing out free guns Yet they did drop the gun registry. Also, US murder rates have DROPPED since 1980. And is also lower than in 1972. Yet there are more guns than in 1972. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #37 July 24, 2012 QuoteAmazing thing happened in Canada: Crime rate dropped 6% to lowest level since 1972, and the severity of crime index dropped 6%. One should keep in mind this was accomplished without handing out free guns. Amazing thing happened in America - since 1993, violent crime has dropped 70%, declined 13% (take your 6% and smoke it!) in 2010 and are at historic lows. All in spite of record gun sales and liberalized carry laws. When will you ever figure out that guns are irrelevant to crime rate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #38 July 24, 2012 Quote Incidentally, Bill'O has already addressed Moyer's editorial assay today with one of his apoplectic rants. He's jealous, I think, because Bill Moyers is a true journalist. sounds more like a columnist since NRA is Enabler of Death is clearly an editorial statement. You a false journalist or what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #39 July 24, 2012 Quoteyou keep saying "democracy", yet you start your post referring to the US government. I don't think that word means what you think it means. Because it doesn't describe our system of government. edit to add: I do not mean to pry, but you don't by any chance happen to have six fingers on your right hand? You're being silly. Our form of government is based on the Rule of Law, not insurrectionism. A Republican form of government. Is that better? Do you like that description better? How about constitutional? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #40 July 24, 2012 Quote>The real 'enabler of death' is the anti gun groups and people that would >prefer the masses not be allowed to fight back. That's just as dumb as the original post. You got that did you? So it is still on par with many of your posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #41 July 24, 2012 >You got that did you? So it is still on par with many of your posts. RushMC, is that you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #42 July 24, 2012 Quote You're being silly. yes, of course I am. My give a shit is broken right now and I'm fucking off rather than working. Quote Our form of government is based on the Rule of Law, not insurrectionism. A Republican form of government. Is that better? Do you like that description better? How about constitutional? sure. sounds better. So being based on Rule of Law, wouldn't it be good if our chief executive didn't ignore some laws?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 July 24, 2012 Quote take your 6% and smoke it! Yes, the US is in a real position to boast right now Quote When will you ever figure out that guns are irrelevant to crime rate? Where did I say they were relevant? I thought the comment regarding giving guns for free showed quite clearly that low crime can be achieved without proliferation of guns. (Hence logically meaning guns are irrelevant to crime rate) I expected the reply from DaVinci. Thought you had better logical thinking skills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #44 July 24, 2012 Quote>You got that did you? So it is still on par with many of your posts. RushMC, is that you? No, just pointing out you do the same thing you accuse others of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #45 July 24, 2012 QuoteI expected the reply from DaVinci. Thought you had better logical thinking skills. And I expected your personal attack instead of trying to debate the data. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 July 24, 2012 I wasn't and am not disagreeing with the data. Hence, there is no reason to debate it. Thank you for affirming my post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #47 July 24, 2012 Quote >You got that did you? So it is still on par with many of your posts. RushMC, is that you? Hardly Marc, his spelling is worse It seems to be JR's alter ego dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #48 July 24, 2012 Quote Quote >You got that did you? So it is still on par with many of your posts. RushMC, is that you? Hardly Marc, his spelling is worse It seems to be JR's alter ego Doesn't have a binary option poll attached.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #49 July 24, 2012 Quote Where did I say they were relevant? I thought the comment regarding giving guns for free showed quite clearly that low crime can be achieved without proliferation of guns. But it doesn't show that at all. It just shows that crime decreased. As it did here. It would be just as intelligent to say that its possible to achieve low crime in a land infested with moose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #50 July 24, 2012 QuoteQuote You're being silly. yes, of course I am. My give a shit is broken right now and I'm fucking off rather than working. Quote Our form of government is based on the Rule of Law, not insurrectionism. A Republican form of government. Is that better? Do you like that description better? How about constitutional? sure. sounds better. So being based on Rule of Law, wouldn't it be good if our chief executive didn't ignore some laws? Absolutely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
