normiss 893 #126 July 26, 2012 This is the cold sad result of violence. I can't carry shampoo on an airplane. I can't carry a tool in my pocket like I have most of my life at a growing number of places. I can't carry a biker's wallet to many of those places as well. I get searched going into public places. Hundreds of millions of us the world over have to remove our shoes because of one single person's behavior. We call the cops when someone leaves their lunch box in a public place and end up shutting a city down over it. We all lose. Terror and fear win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #127 July 26, 2012 QuoteThis is the cold sad result of violence. No, this is the cold sad result of a massive over-reaction to violence. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #128 July 26, 2012 Agreed. Better wording! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #129 July 26, 2012 QuoteQuoteAlso, the theaters I sit in are elevated in the back; thereby clearing fields of fire to the front more effectively. Why do you think I sit back there? I choose a movie seat for viewing the movie. I do not consider line of fire in my choice of movie seat selection. Careful you don't come across as more paranoid than you really are just to sell the debate. I understand. Keep in mind that I have been Army for 28 years (Reserve, National Guard and Active). I put myself through college as a cop. I am currently an intelligence officer. My last job was as a Combat Advisor in Iraq. A little situational awareness is natural after what I've been trained for. I think a corollary of Murphy's Law is that the more prepared you are for a bad event, the less likely it is to happen. Just for fun...When I go to lunch with certain friends, we vie for the preferred seat...back to the wall, full view of the door and cash register. We never have any dispute over which table we want.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #130 July 26, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis is the cold sad result of violence. No, this is the cold sad result of a massive over-reaction an irrational reaction to violence from both sides. Fixed it for you."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #131 July 26, 2012 There's a LOT of street smarts in behaving like that as well. I'm surprised sometimes at the foolish risk people unknowingly place themselves in. Someone used to think it odd that I always scan the area around us no matter where we are. I want to know what's going on around me. Always! Like you said - Be prepared! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #132 July 26, 2012 Both sides of what? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #133 July 26, 2012 QuoteThis is the cold sad result of violence. I can't carry shampoo on an airplane. I can't carry a tool in my pocket like I have most of my life at a growing number of places. I can't carry a biker's wallet to many of those places as well. I get searched going into public places. Hundreds of millions of us the world over have to remove our shoes because of one single person's behavior. We call the cops when someone leaves their lunch box in a public place and end up shutting a city down over it. We all lose. Terror and fear win. This is the only way any government can deal with individuals who are not kept in line by the people to their left and right. In Israel, school teachers on school buses carry military issue assault rifles. Most every household has one, because they all served on active duty and are still on reserve duty. Most stores have their own armed security. People carry assault weapons in the open. You get searched at any large gathering. Security is fierce. That's why they have suicide bombers. Whip out a firearm and see what happens...dead terrorist. The only way the terrorist can get in his shot is to make it the first and only one. But freedom? Not by my standards. Terrorism causes terror. Terror causes people to give up freedom for safety. In the end, they have neither.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #134 July 26, 2012 QuoteBoth sides of what? The right of the people to keep and bear arms."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #135 July 26, 2012 QuoteThis is the cold sad result of violence. I can't carry shampoo on an airplane. I can't carry a tool in my pocket like I have most of my life at a growing number of places. I can't carry a biker's wallet to many of those places as well. I get searched going into public places. Hundreds of millions of us the world over have to remove our shoes because of one single person's behavior. We call the cops when someone leaves their lunch box in a public place and end up shutting a city down over it. We all lose. Terror and fear win. Not all. There are many people who actually benefit from this situation. The Fourth Amendment is supposed to protect us from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #136 July 26, 2012 QuoteJust for fun...When I go to lunch with certain friends, we vie for the preferred seat...back to the wall, full view of the door and cash register. We never have any dispute over which table we want. I'd be in that group. Just habit. Check exits, etc etc etc. But if I don't get the seat I want, it doesn't bother, just want to be aware. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #137 July 30, 2012 QuoteOnce again, did you not (or can you not) read the first post of the thread. I didn't ask about a defensive stand, I asked about hitting a small target and only the target in a given scenario ... I read your biased post. The fact is that it is clear you do not have any idea of tactics used in a firefight. Shooting and hitting someone even with body armor will normally make them run or deal with the threat. It is difficult to engage a target when you are taking rounds. Hitting guy in the body (even with body armor) will make him hurt like hell and allow you to get away, or close the distance. It is clear you do not know tactics beyond a paintball range and tried to create a situation that you thought would not work to prove a point. When presented with data that proves you and your scenario incorrect, you just discount it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #138 July 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteOnce again, did you not (or can you not) read the first post of the thread. I didn't ask about a defensive stand, I asked about hitting a small target and only the target in a given scenario ... I read your biased post. The fact is that it is clear you do not have any idea of tactics used in a firefight. Shooting and hitting someone even with body armor will normally make them run or deal with the threat. It is difficult to engage a target when you are taking rounds. Hitting guy in the body (even with body armor) will make him hurt like hell and allow you to get away, or close the distance. It is clear you do not know tactics beyond a paintball range and tried to create a situation that you thought would not work to prove a point. When presented with data that proves you and your scenario incorrect, you just discount it. Blah, blah, blah ... it's called creating a scenario and posing a question. Feel free to create your own thread, scenario, and question. PS: I used a paintball gun to make it "friendly" for all the anti-gun individuals."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #139 July 30, 2012 Quote PS: I used a paintball gun to make it "friendly" for all the anti-gun individuals. but as noted in my reply, paintball guns are considerably less accurate than handguns or rifles. No rifling, round balls. Makes for a false strawman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #140 July 30, 2012 QuoteQuote PS: I used a paintball gun to make it "friendly" for all the anti-gun individuals. but as noted in my reply, paintball guns are considerably less accurate than handguns or rifles. No rifling, round balls. Makes for a false strawman. I created a scenario and posed a question. Feel free to answer the question replacing the paintball gun with a "real" gun if you can't answer it the other way ... PS: I don't know what barrels you are using but the barrels I used for paintballing were rifled."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #141 July 30, 2012 Quote I can't carry a biker's wallet to many of those places as well. I don't understand, what is a bikers wallet and why can't you carry one?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #142 July 30, 2012 Quote Quote I can't carry a biker's wallet to many of those places as well. I don't understand, what is a bikers wallet and why can't you carry one? It a wallet with a chain on it that attaches to your belt. https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie9&q=Biker+Wallet&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7TSNO It's a lot harder to lose (like when you are riding a motorcycle all day long) or get stolen. But the chain can be used as a weapon in a fight. And they look scary and intimidating. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #143 July 30, 2012 Tippman flatline barrel placed a backspin on the ball and gave it considerably more range. Even enabled me to shoot around corners.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #144 July 30, 2012 QuoteTippman flatline barrel placed a backspin on the ball and gave it considerably more range. Even enabled me to shoot around corners. that sounds like dirty pool to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #145 July 30, 2012 Old addage among close quarters guys..."If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck." I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #146 July 31, 2012 LOL, seriously, I had one like that when I was a kid. Didn't know it was a bikers wallet though.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #147 August 2, 2012 QuoteBlah, blah, blah ... it's called creating a scenario and posing a question. Feel free to create your own thread, scenario, and question. Well, just admit you do not understand tactics and the difference between 'real' tactics and paintball tactics. QuotePS: I used a paintball gun to make it "friendly" for all the anti-gun individuals. A paintball gun and a real gun are not close to the same thing. Getting hit with a paintball and a real bullet is not close to the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #148 August 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteBlah, blah, blah ... it's called creating a scenario and posing a question. Feel free to create your own thread, scenario, and question. Well, just admit you do not understand tactics and the difference between 'real' tactics and paintball tactics. Blah, blah, blah ... just admit you don't understand what creating a scenario is."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #149 August 3, 2012 QuoteBlah, blah, blah ... just admit you don't understand what creating a scenario is. Well, just admit you do not understand tactics and the difference between 'real' tactics and paintball tactics. I know what creating a scenario is... I also know you created one that makes no sense in the real world. Don't blame me that you do not understand something and made a bad scenario because of your ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #150 August 3, 2012 QuoteI know what creating a scenario is... I also know you created one that makes no sense in the real world. Don't blame me that you do not understand something and made a bad scenario because of your ignorance. Bad scenario? At no point did I state that it was to represent the real world. Don't blame me that you do not understand that because of your idiocy."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
