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Why is it so difficult for people to admit that a gun or few in the audience just wouldn't have likely made a difference? T



Maybe. Maybe not.

He gave up with out a fight when presented with police officers with weapons. Unfortunately we will never know if someone confronting the domestic terrorist with lethal force would have shut him down as well.

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>Not according to the professional arm chair quarterbacks around here. They say you
>should sit down and wait to be shot

Exactly. In any confrontation the only two options are to open fire into a crowd or sit down and wait to be shot.



I sometimes wonder if, for a certain sub-set of humanity, every decision actually is binary. Maybe this is the same sub-set who don't recognize irony or sub-text.



It certainly appears that way with some here.

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Maybe. Maybe not.

He gave up with out a fight when presented with police officers with weapons.



Some reports claim that he was trying to blend in with SWAT in order to get away. Shooting at cops wouldn't help that plan. Or maybe he just had no intention of dying, wanting to live to enjoy his twisted glory. (Why a mass murderer might be proud of their actions is beyond me, but that does seem to be the case with some of them.) The point is that giving up to police without a fight after the fact doesn't imply that someone shooting back at him in the theater would have made any difference.
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The point is that giving up to police without a fight after the fact doesn't imply that someone shooting back at him in the theater would have made any difference.



Did I say shoot? I said confront with deadly force, there is a difference in regards to use of force.

For me deadly force typically starts when I point my pistol or long gun at someone and very loudly say "POLICE, DO NOT MOVE!" My outlook is probably significantly different than yours and my outlook is born from training and experience.

Would it have stopped this domestic terrorist? Maybe. Maybe not. Unfortunately we will never know. You will also never know that your argument is correct either.
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Frankly, someone shooting indiscriminately or not into a crowd of people in an orchestrated way, killing and wounding dozens, I don't think that trying to distract him by firing at him would make the situation worse, even IF you hit an innocent bystander or two in the exchange.

And from my understanding the guy was basically up at the front of the cinema, where most people were looking at him.
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Yup. No sweat.



And if after the first individual opens fire another individual begins to open fire behind you will you be able to decide whether that person is with the first person?



Is this second shooter also wearing a gas mask, tactical helmet, and body armor while carrying an AR-15, a pump action shotty, and two pistols?

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I don't think that trying to distract him by firing at him would make the situation worse, even IF you hit an innocent bystander or two in the exchange.



Hitting an innocent bystander or two in the exchange is the textbook definition of making the situation worse. :S
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And if after the first individual opens fire another individual begins to open fire behind you will you be able to decide whether that person is with the first person?



Is this second shooter also wearing a gas mask, tactical helmet, and body armor while carrying an AR-15, a pump action shotty, and two pistols?



No, but he is shooting innocent people. (See post 31.)
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Why is it so difficult for people to admit that a gun or few in the audience just wouldn't have likely made a difference?



Your answer...

Why is it so difficult for people to admit that laws against guns wouldn't have likely made a difference?

That's what all this is about...isn't is obvious?
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I actually wonder if this loon was trying out a temporal illusion experiment to see if he could change the past. I know that sounds nuts but hey we're talking about a guy who dyed his barnet red and shot up a cinema.
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Interestingly you are the first person either in SC or on media outlets who have called this man what he is a 'domestic terrorist'.
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Interestingly you are the first person either in SC or on media outlets who have called this man what he is a 'domestic terrorist'.



Call 'em like I see 'em.

The media wouldn't even call the Ft. Hood shooter a terrorist, so I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

Being someone who enjoys reading conspiracy theories (even though I think 99% of them have stepped off in the deep end), there are some being floated around now about the shooting. There are some variations, but mainly the prescribe to the shooter having been trained like a Manchurian Candidate. That he was acting with out choice or thought due to deep psychological conditioning. Also that his gear was funded by the same and that it is all part of the New World Order's push to disarm US citizens so there will be less chance of resistance when the revolution starts.

I'm sure that the entire psychological condition was completed in the base under Denver International using technology provided by the Greys under orders by the reptile shape shifters who control the world.:D

For me though, the guy is a domestic terrorist and should be tried as such.
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I'm sure that the entire psychological condition was completed in the base under Denver International using technology provided by the Greys under orders by the reptile shape shifters who control the world.



:D:D:D Truly some people are nuttier than squirrel shit.
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Yup. No sweat.



And if after the first individual opens fire another individual begins to open fire behind you will you be able to decide whether that person is with the first person?



Don't be silly! Just wait until the third person starts shooting and then you'll see what direction the second and third are shooting and you'll know for sure what direction you should start shooting.

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Why is it so difficult for people to admit that a gun or few in the audience just wouldn't have likely made a difference? The shooter was well prepared and successfully implemented a surprise, incapacitate, and overwhelm strategy. It's unlikely that a theater crowded with panicking people would have provided many opportunities clear shots, and the tear gas made it unlikely any such opportunity could be successfully utilized.



You just don't get it, do ya? The people in the audience who are carrying concealed weaponry are all sane, responsible, well-trained, and courageous like wolves. They won't be affected by the panicking common sheep-dog people in the crowd. They are there to help! ;)

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Yup. No sweat.



And if after the first individual opens fire another individual begins to open fire behind you will you be able to decide whether that person is with the first person?



Is this second shooter also wearing a gas mask, tactical helmet, and body armor while carrying an AR-15, a pump action shotty, and two pistols?



That's entirely possible in this hypothetical scenario.

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Interestingly you are the first person either in SC or on media outlets who have called this man what he is a 'domestic terrorist'.



The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as:

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

I wouldn't consider this guy a terrorist just yet. It could just turn out that he is simply a highly deranged gun-nut.

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Interestingly you are the first person either in SC or on media outlets who have called this man what he is a 'domestic terrorist'.



Call 'em like I see 'em.

The media wouldn't even call the Ft. Hood shooter a terrorist, so I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

Being someone who enjoys reading conspiracy theories (even though I think 99% of them have stepped off in the deep end), there are some being floated around now about the shooting. There are some variations, but mainly the prescribe to the shooter having been trained like a Manchurian Candidate. That he was acting with out choice or thought due to deep psychological conditioning. Also that his gear was funded by the same and that it is all part of the New World Order's push to disarm US citizens so there will be less chance of resistance when the revolution starts.

I'm sure that the entire psychological condition was completed in the base under Denver International using technology provided by the Greys under orders by the reptile shape shifters who control the world.:D

For me though, the guy is a domestic terrorist and should be tried as such.


I'm going to forward your theory to Darrell Issa. I think it's something he can work with.

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Interestingly you are the first person either in SC or on media outlets who have called this man what he is a 'domestic terrorist'.



The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as:

The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

I wouldn't consider this guy a terrorist just yet. It could just turn out that he is simply a highly deranged gun-nut.



I don't need the DoD of a foreign government with a dodgy history of bending definitions on combatants, non combatant and terrorist to its own internationally illegal political goals to explain to me what a terrorist is... But point taken.
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Watch this situation to understand that conceal and carry can work but isn't likely to work in the previous situation.



I wonder what they put their colour up on the headlines for, would they have done that if they'd both been white?
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