jcd11235 0 #26 July 21, 2012 QuoteIf it helps, think of this individual as a traitor to the human race. I think the cops were pretty generous in not shooting him in the parking lot. Don't get me wrong; I won't lose any sleep if he's put to death. I just don't believe the justice system should be about vengeance.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #27 July 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteIf it helps, think of this individual as a traitor to the human race. I think the cops were pretty generous in not shooting him in the parking lot. Don't get me wrong; I won't lose any sleep if he's put to death. I just don't believe the justice system should be about vengeance. Noble ideal, but it pretty much always has been and to a certain extent always will be. Ideally, I'm guessing, you'd just want to see the guy separated from society, placed in a box where he can no longer do any harm. I want the same thing...just that yours is made of concrete and steel, while mine is made of pine. I also think its actually less cruel on a planetary karmic scale. If this guy lives another 60 years, then the survivors will carry a wish for this guy's death for 60 years and the guy himself will be sitting in a box knowing he'll never do another thing until he does die. Why waste the time? Get it over with and be done with it. This question of death penalty or life without parole should be the normal discussion for normal situations; "do we have the right guy?" There's absolutely no question we have the right guy here. Again, just get it over with.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #28 July 21, 2012 QuoteThis question of death penalty or life without parole should be the normal discussion for normal situations; "do we have the right guy?" There's absolutely no question we have the right guy here. The problem with that is that it encourages two different standards for conviction. Putting someone to death when "there's absolutely no question that we have the right guy" is all well and good until we start "only" convicting others of life in prison because they probably committed the crime. Knowing we have the right guy should be the standard for conviction, not sentencing. We've put too many people to death who have subsequently been exonerated of the crime for which they were convicted. I think it unwise to support the death penalty on a case by case basis, and I can't make a general evaluation of its merits without taking into consideration those who have been wrongfully executed. QuoteIf this guy lives another 60 years, then the survivors will carry a wish for this guy's death for 60 years and the guy himself will be sitting in a box knowing he'll never do another thing until he does die. I would suggest that the families and friends of the victims cannot complete the healing process until they can finally forgive the perpetrator for his crimes. Forgiveness is a gift to the forgiver much more than the forgiven. It's easier to forgive a living person than someone who has been dead for thirty years.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #29 July 21, 2012 QuoteI think the cops were pretty generous in not shooting him in the parking lot. Yes, because summary executions should be a standard police procedure. It's a fool-proof way to create a better society. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #30 July 21, 2012 Quote Quote I think the cops were pretty generous in not shooting him in the parking lot. Yes, because summary executions should be a standard police procedure. It's a fool-proof way to create a better society. So what? As per most American posters, *only an armed society is a friendly society*. Yep, media shows it on a daily basis It's a fool-proof way to decimate themselves. Idiots shooting around, killing everything walking on two legs - then they're put on death row: Thus, creating a perfect way of extirpation. Why to stop it? *You get what you're asking for* Long live the 2nd Amendment. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #31 July 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteHow could that even remotely be true? I've read that depending on the state, facility, etc. that housing a prisoner costs tax payers "around" $45K annually. I don't see how an execution would equate to even one year in prison, financially speaking. It's not the actual execution that is so expensive - it's all the legal wranglings leading up to it. The laws should be overhauled so that clear cut, caught red handed BS like this gets the proper treatment. There is no excuse to keep this person alive. +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #32 July 21, 2012 Oh well, God in his wisdom created 5000 kilometres of ocean between us and them, and he made enough of them to last for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #33 July 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm opposed to the death penalty (with possible exceptions for combat theater military justice, since the mission is more important than the man), even for mass murderers. Life in prison serves society just as well. If it helps, think of this individual as a traitor to the human race. I think the cops were pretty generous in not shooting him in the parking lot. I thought Police death squads were to be found in South America not the USA.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #34 July 22, 2012 QuoteNo. There is no justification for the death penalty in any case. I really find that position odd...I mean if you're being stabbed and the attacker intends to take your life...you really going to stand behind your statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #35 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf it helps, think of this individual as a traitor to the human race. I think the cops were pretty generous in not shooting him in the parking lot. Don't get me wrong; I won't lose any sleep if he's put to death. I just don't believe the justice system should be about vengeance. Noble ideal, but it pretty much always has been and to a certain extent always will be. Ideally, I'm guessing, you'd just want to see the guy separated from society, placed in a box where he can no longer do any harm. I want the same thing...just that yours is made of concrete and steel, while mine is made of pine. I also think its actually less cruel on a planetary karmic scale. If this guy lives another 60 years, then the survivors will carry a wish for this guy's death for 60 years and the guy himself will be sitting in a box knowing he'll never do another thing until he does die. Why waste the time? Get it over with and be done with it. This question of death penalty or life without parole should be the normal discussion for normal situations; "do we have the right guy?" There's absolutely no question we have the right guy here. Again, just get it over with. Under our system the man deserves a fair and impartial trail with the best defense possible. If that means the state of Colorado has to tap Johnny Cochran to come in as Public Defender than so be it. That will be costly, but a major scientific break through! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #36 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow could that even remotely be true? I've read that depending on the state, facility, etc. that housing a prisoner costs tax payers "around" $45K annually. I don't see how an execution would equate to even one year in prison, financially speaking. It's not the actual execution that is so expensive - it's all the legal wranglings leading up to it. The laws should be overhauled so that clear cut, caught red handed BS like this gets the proper treatment. There is no excuse to keep this person alive. +1 Who gets to decide when a situation is so "clear cut" that certain individuals get fast-tracked to the death penalty? What criteria do we use to make this decision? How would you draft legislation to make this work? Look, I understand the anger towards this guy. But what you are proposing simply is not going to work in America. Everyone gets due process of law. And yes, in death penalty cases, the process is long and drawn out. This will not change, and it shouldn't. We can't have a system where certain individuals are simply fast-tracked to the gas chamber, and others are given full due process of law. Any legislation attempting to do this would immediately be found unconstitutional. You may well get your wish and see this guy executed. But it won't happen any time soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #37 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow could that even remotely be true? I've read that depending on the state, facility, etc. that housing a prisoner costs tax payers "around" $45K annually. I don't see how an execution would equate to even one year in prison, financially speaking. It's not the actual execution that is so expensive - it's all the legal wranglings leading up to it. The laws should be overhauled so that clear cut, caught red handed BS like this gets the proper treatment. There is no excuse to keep this person alive. +1 Who gets to decide when a situation is so "clear cut" that certain individuals get fast-tracked to the death penalty? What criteria do we use to make this decision? How would you draft legislation to make this work? Look, I understand the anger towards this guy. But what you are proposing simply is not going to work in America. Everyone gets due process of law. And yes, in death penalty cases, the process is long and drawn out. This will not change, and it shouldn't. We can't have a system where certain individuals are simply fast-tracked to the gas chamber, and others are given full due process of law. Any legislation attempting to do this would immediately be found unconstitutional. You may well get your wish and see this guy executed. But it won't happen any time soon. Well lets see, how about if there is a whole theater full of people that were witnesses. Or maybe if there is video of the crime. In some cases I'm ok with the death chamber being one door over from the court room. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #38 July 22, 2012 Forgiveness is nice for "some", and it doesn't really matter how expensive it is to execute this person. Executing him will prevent him from ever killing again.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #39 July 22, 2012 QuoteForgiveness is nice for "some", and it doesn't really matter how expensive it is to execute this person. Executing him will prevent him from ever killing again. So will life in prison, but we also have the chance to get inside his mind, and that's what I'm all about.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Freakazoidile 0 #40 July 22, 2012 I dont know colorado laws, but if theres no death penatly, going to prison I don't think he would last very long. Either someone inside would end him or he would take his life after his 'infamous attention' has expired.Blue Skies! If you don't like it do it yourself and shut up https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/8/21/RJq7qFNeoECVymQBZu1E3g2.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #41 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteForgiveness is nice for "some", and it doesn't really matter how expensive it is to execute this person. Executing him will prevent him from ever killing again. So will life in prison, but we also have the chance to get inside his mind, and that's what I'm all about. There's not going to be any "getting inside his mind" in such a way this will ever make sense. After all the years and interviews with Manson, do you think you understand what went on "inside his mind"? How about McVeigh, who was extensively interviewed...does that really make the situation make any more sense? How about Kaczynski? What part of "getting inside his mind" helps any of us normal folks not associated with the FBI? None that I can think of.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #42 July 22, 2012 Ya...I get inside peoples heads every day, and we save lives....though it may not always be constitutional. I can live with that. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #43 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo. There is no justification for the death penalty in any case. I really find that position odd...I mean if you're being stabbed and the attacker intends to take your life...you really going to stand behind your statement? That would be self defence not the death penalty, apples and oranges.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #44 July 22, 2012 Quote Ya...I get inside peoples heads every day, and we save lives....though it may not always be constitutional. I can live with that. How so Corey?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #45 July 22, 2012 QuoteYou don't like it? Fine. Stay in Germany. What about your fellow Americans, who hate your country so much that they openly wipe their asses with your precious Bill of Rights right here in this topic? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #46 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou don't like it? Fine. Stay in Germany. What about your fellow Americans, who hate your country so much that they openly wipe their asses with your precious Bill of Rights right here in this topic? Good question, why would they want to live in a place they hate so much? If they think it is so bad, they should find the place to live that makes them happy. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #47 July 22, 2012 QuoteForgiveness is nice for "some", and it doesn't really matter how expensive it is to execute this person. Executing him will prevent him from ever killing again. Recently released inmates say that he won't make it in Gen Pop. So he will be held in Solitary for the pretrial, trial and if found guilty, in prison. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #48 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo. There is no justification for the death penalty in any case. I really find that position odd...I mean if you're being stabbed and the attacker intends to take your life...you really going to stand behind your statement? Hypothetically speaking? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #49 July 22, 2012 Quote Well lets see, how about if there is a whole theater full of people that were witnesses. Or maybe if there is video of the crime. In some cases I'm ok with the death chamber being one door over from the court room. How about if a woman has an abortion? Doesn't get any more clear cut than that. Put her to death. Send her straight to the gas chamber! Indeed, thanks for clearing this up for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #50 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteForgiveness is nice for "some", and it doesn't really matter how expensive it is to execute this person. Executing him will prevent him from ever killing again. So will life in prison, but we also have the chance to get inside his mind, and that's what I'm all about. If he's still alive, there's always the chance he could kill someone againYou stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
