Obama's Bizaro World

[rushmc 23]

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Obama: 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen'

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-if-youve-got-business-you-didnt-build-somebody-else-made-happen

I fully beileve, he believes, no one, no body can survive without his government.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 897]

They also invented the interwebs.

I'm beginning to think he gets much better weed than the rest of the country does....

[kelpdiver 2]

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They also invented the interwebs.

uh, while Al Gore didn't invent the internet, DARPA and the NSF certainly did. Initially intended as a networking solution that would still allow communications in the midst of a nuclear war.

[DanG 1]

Did you read the whole article? They obviously picked the most inflammatory statement to get their readers riled up, but what he was really saying is that America succeeds because we work together.

Do you disagree?

- Dan G

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Did you read the whole article? They obviously picked the most inflammatory statement to get their readers riled up, but what he was really saying is that America succeeds because we work together.

Do you disagree?

The key words here being Work and Together.

[DanG 1]

Um, okay.

- Dan G

[StreetScooby 5]

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Did you read the whole article? They obviously picked the most inflammatory statement to get their readers riled up, but what he was really saying is that America succeeds because we work together.

Do you disagree?

Yes, I do. Obama, and Elizabeth Warren (corporations are not people!), and Nancy Pelosi, et. al., think the government has primacy in our country. They've got it completely backwards.

We are all engines of karma

[rushmc 23]

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Did you read the whole article? They obviously picked the most inflammatory statement to get their readers riled up, but what he was really saying is that America succeeds because we work together.

Do you disagree?

I listened to most of the speech


I do not agree with your interpretation

Given his actions and statement since he started running for president there is little doubt that he thinks no one has any chance without his government handing something out

No successful person has any right to be proud of achievement unless they pay homage to the great federal bureaucracy that he is trying to grow exponentially.

Yes I get what you are trying to say and in the end those things are part of what is used by successful people.

But that is not his point or context

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Did you read the whole article? They obviously picked the most inflammatory statement to get their readers riled up, but what he was really saying is that America succeeds because we work together.

Do you disagree?

Yes, I do. Obama, and Elizabeth Warren (corporations are not people!), and Nancy Pelosi, et. al., think the government has primacy in our country. They've got it completely backwards.

+1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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no one has any chance without his government handing something out

his government only takes

his power is that he increasingly gets to pick and choose who gets special exceptions from specific forms of taking

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[StreetScooby 5]

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his power is that he increasingly gets to pick and choose who gets special exceptions from specific forms of taking

+1

We are all engines of karma

[normiss 897]

Providing funding to civilian entities does not equate invention.

[billvon 3,118]

>his government only takes

Really? You've never used an interstate highway? Your business has never shipped goods on them? You've never utilized air traffic control?

You can argue that "what the government provides can be better provided by someone else" but you can't really argue "we get nothing from them."

[rehmwa 2]

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>his government only takes

Really? You've never used an interstate highway? Your business has never shipped goods on them? You've never utilized air traffic control?

You can argue that "what the government provides can be better provided by someone else" but you can't really argue "we get nothing from them."

I'd like to see how you got to this post from that comment and context..........

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,118]

>I'd like to see how you got to this post from that comment and context

"his government only takes" - no, it doesn't, gave some examples.

[rehmwa 2]

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>I'd like to see how you got to this post from that comment and context

"his government only takes" - no, it doesn't, gave some examples.

oh, I see what you're doing - it's a bit of a non sequitor with the context I was on. suspect you're debating something I wasn't even referring to. (edit: In fact, your point was acknowledged, I think, back in an earlier rushmc statement, but it wasn't really pertinent to the basic discussion, so you're not really debating anyone with it.)

we're walking down two completely different sidewalks here
I'll see you at the corner later

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[funjumper101 15]

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Did you read the whole article? They obviously picked the most inflammatory statement to get their readers riled up, but what he was really saying is that America succeeds because we work together.

Do you disagree?

I listened to most of the speech


I do not agree with your interpretation

Given his actions and statement since he started running for president there is little doubt that he thinks no one has any chance without his government handing something out

No successful person has any right to be proud of achievement unless they pay homage to the great federal bureaucracy that he is trying to grow exponentially.

Yes I get what you are trying to say and in the end those things are part of what is used by successful people.

But that is not his point or context

BBRRAAWWKKK!!!! The parrots are at it again.

There must have been a new round of talking points issued by Faux News and Lush Rimjob. The parrots are spreading the word...

They repeat the words, with not a clue as to their meaning.

[normiss 897]

Parrots

[airdvr 210]

If this doesn't clue you in to how the man thinks... From tha article...

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“If you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

Being smart and working hard are not qualities to be admired. Because we know everyone is smart and works hard komrade. This must have been when the teleprompter was turned off.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[wmw999 2,588]

There are plenty of smart, hardworking people who aren't successes. There are not guarantees. They are qualities to be admired, and they are more likely to succeed.

But all those smart people went to school; most of them had at least average, if not better than average, parents and upbringing. Most of them had enough food to eat as they were growing up.

And no one builds a business without customers; most don't build one very far without employees. Many in the corporate world (and outside it) had a mentor of some type.

I'm successful. I worked hard in college; paid for much of it myself, too. But it's not just because I'm awesome; I had good parents, went to good schools, and was raised well enough to recognize the opportunities for what they were.

There's a great scene at the end of My Cousin Vinny (one of my all-time favorite movies).

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Mona Lisa Vito: So what's your problem?
Vinny Gambini: My problem is, I wanted to win my first case without any help from anybody.
Mona Lisa Vito: Well, I guess that plan's moot.
Vinny Gambini: Yeah.
Mona Lisa Vito: You know, this could be a sign of things to come. You win all your cases, but with somebody else's help, right? you win case after case, and then afterwards you have to go up to somebody and you have to say, "thank you."
[pause]
Mona Lisa Vito: Oh my God, what a fucking nightmare!

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[quade 4]

Haven't we discussed this basic topic before; that no man is an island?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kelpdiver 2]

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Providing funding to civilian entities does not equate invention.

DARPA isn't a civilian entity. NSF is, but that seems akin to saying that defense contractors do all the work, not the DoD. Yes Bell Labs and the Berkeley guys did the substantial development behind unix and the internet protocols used today, but they needed the starting point and the money to do it.

(Those who oppose spending today on far fetched ideas like biofuel or solar power or electric cars should look at how the development of what is now an essential part of our lives - the internet - was done.)

[airdvr 210]

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But it's not just because I'm awesome

You are awesome!

I guess I've never heard someone say it in such a way as to infer that the government was the raison d'etre. The government is supposed to be the support system. Of course, when you're playing class warfare the minions love to hear that business owners aren't all that special.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[jakee 1,595]

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Yes I get what you are trying to say and in the end those things are part of what is used by successful people.

But that is not his point or context

So, basically, the only thing you think is bizarre is that he acknowledges that the government performs useful services?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[devildog 0]

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There are plenty of smart, hardworking people who aren't successes. There are not guarantees. They are qualities to be admired, and they are more likely to succeed.

But all those smart people went to school; most of them had at least average, if not better than average, parents and upbringing. Most of them had enough food to eat as they were growing up.

And no one builds a business without customers; most don't build one very far without employees. Many in the corporate world (and outside it) had a mentor of some type.

I'm successful. I worked hard in college; paid for much of it myself, too. But it's not just because I'm awesome; I had good parents, went to good schools, and was raised well enough to recognize the opportunities for what they were.

There's a great scene at the end of My Cousin Vinny (one of my all-time favorite movies).

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Mona Lisa Vito: So what's your problem?
Vinny Gambini: My problem is, I wanted to win my first case without any help from anybody.
Mona Lisa Vito: Well, I guess that plan's moot.
Vinny Gambini: Yeah.
Mona Lisa Vito: You know, this could be a sign of things to come. You win all your cases, but with somebody else's help, right? you win case after case, and then afterwards you have to go up to somebody and you have to say, "thank you."
[pause]
Mona Lisa Vito: Oh my God, what a fucking nightmare!

Wendy P.

My grandfather came over from Czech. when he was a kid. His family was dirt poor. Poor as in, he actually went blind at one point from malnutrition. He never went to college. He and his brother started a wire company (which is still in business) after WWII and he retired a millionaire + in the 80s.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.