quade 4 #151 July 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt's only a divisive statement (the actual one, not the misquote) if taken out of context and you're actually looking to be offended. The words as he actually said them are not only true, but show we're really all in this together . . . Unless, of course, you choose to see that differently because you think you're some kind of special snow flake. Paul - ever start a business? Run it? Operate it? When someone says, "If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen" then it becomes a very intensely personal thing. And now . . . go look at exactly what he actually said IN CONTEXT. Forget what Rush or anybody else is telling you, go see it for yourself, because you obviously haven't yet. He's not saying you didn't build the BUSINESS yourself. He's saying you didn't build the INFRASTRUCTURE yourself. So, my comments stand.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #152 July 17, 2012 Quote He's not saying you didn't build the BUSINESS yourself. He's saying you didn't build the INFRASTRUCTURE yourself. And current taxes should already be paying for that. He doesn't need to tax businesses more for this.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #153 July 17, 2012 QuoteQuote He's not saying you didn't build the BUSINESS yourself. He's saying you didn't build the INFRASTRUCTURE yourself. And current taxes should already be paying for that. He doesn't need to tax businesses more for this. Well, actually, they aren't. Our current taxes aren't keeping up with the normal wear and tear of the infrastructure. Not even close.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #154 July 18, 2012 Quote Well, actually, they aren't. Our current taxes aren't keeping up with the normal wear and tear of the infrastructure. Not even close. Because they're spending too much money on other stuff.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #155 July 18, 2012 >Because they're spending too much money on other stuff. The refrain of both the left and the right - "They're spending too much money on OTHER people's stuff and not enough on MY stuff!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #156 July 18, 2012 Quote>Because they're spending too much money on other stuff. The refrain of both the left and the right - "They're spending too much money on OTHER people's stuff and not enough on MY stuff!" That's pretty much why I think that eliminating the budget deficit will require tax increases. Cutting spending makes for good rhetoric, but if no one can agree on which expenditures need to be cut and which ones should be kept, the cuts won't happen.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #157 July 18, 2012 >Cutting spending makes for good rhetoric, but if no one can agree on which >expenditures need to be cut and which ones should be kept, the cuts won't happen. And the same can be said for tax increases. We need to elect people that are not mere servants of political parties, who are willing to push unpopular legislation that serves the country better in the long run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #158 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt's interrelated. Exactly. Businesses need society in order to be successful as much as society needs businesses in order to be successful. So society is responsible for failed businesses. "You didn't run it into the ground. Someone else did." "You bankers out there. You didn't destroy the economy. Someone else did.' Wow. Deriously shit lawyering by Madoff's lawyer. "He didn't build it. Someone else did." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #159 July 18, 2012 QuoteSo society is responsible for failed businesses. There are always external factors that contribute to a business' success or failure that are beyond the business owner's control.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #160 July 18, 2012 Quote The refrain of both the left and the right - "They're spending too much money on OTHER people's stuff and not enough on MY stuff!" I am certain you understand my point, but are in a mood tonight to do whatever it is your doing here.... This country has a spending problem. Raising taxes is not going to do anything -- ANYTHING -- worthy of note wrto resolving this spending problem. We need to cut spending, and massively so. To think that raising taxes is going to have any significant effect on our spending problem reflects a detachment from reality that I find breathtaking.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #161 July 18, 2012 Quote>Cutting spending makes for good rhetoric, but if no one can agree on which >expenditures need to be cut and which ones should be kept, the cuts won't happen. And the same can be said for tax increases. We need to elect people that are not mere servants of political parties, who are willing to push unpopular legislation that serves the country better in the long run. Since that is not going to happen in my lifetime (or yours, I expect) what is Plan B?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #162 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's interrelated. Exactly. Businesses need society in order to be successful as much as society needs businesses in order to be successful. So society is responsible for failed businesses. "You didn't run it into the ground. Someone else did." "You bankers out there. You didn't destroy the economy. Someone else did.' Wow. Deriously shit lawyering by Madoff's lawyer. "He didn't build it. Someone else did." Strawman. That is NOT what he wrote, or even a reasonable interpretation of it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #163 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuote The refrain of both the left and the right - "They're spending too much money on OTHER people's stuff and not enough on MY stuff!" I am certain you understand my point, but are in a mood tonight to do whatever it is your doing here.... This country has a spending problem. Raising taxes is not going to do anything -- ANYTHING -- worthy of note wrto resolving this spending problem. Taxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #164 July 18, 2012 QuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #165 July 18, 2012 Here it is: I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. - funny, I always run into people who describe how hard they work, how difficult it is, and how they are living how most other people wouldn't for the chance to live as most others won't be able to. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. - funny stereotype. Hard work, brains, etc. Help but technical expertise, marketing abilitry ands administrative acumen are all required. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. - yep. And if they are working for others it's how they'll remain. If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. - yeah - my parentds had sex forty years ago. And I didn't get drafted. Nor did I get arrested for speaking my mind. Amazingly, leaving me alone to pay people to assist me was rather useful. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life - yep. Called the school of hard knocks. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. - and yet others are working to destroy it. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. - and then decided that maintaining them was no good because there are so many people hurting. What a fine example he came up with of fucked up government priorities! If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. - no. I did build it. I made it happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet - no. It was created for government needs. Then private companies and thinkers saw the potential. They built it. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. - no. We do things to be at mutual advantage. Wrokign together is necessary to make money. I need an employee. A person needs a job. Do do things together, yes, but each for our own benefit. Not for any other reason. I stand by it, Paul. He made a statement. I find the context demeaning. I find the context insulting. I find it divisive. I find the President to be loaded with stereotype and dismissive of the individual. Dismissive of the visionary. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #166 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #167 July 18, 2012 "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #168 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA? Ya Just like the Obama's"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #169 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA? Ya Just like the Obama's www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/ www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/16/barack-obama/mitt-romney-had-millions-swiss-bank-account-barack/ Now back up your claim.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #170 July 18, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Taxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA? Ya Just like the Obama's www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/ www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/16/barack-obama/mitt-romney-had-millions-swiss-bank-account-barack/ Now back up your claim. LOL Politifact Dont go there anymore They have been caught too many times with shit on their face "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #171 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA? Ya Just like the Obama's www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/ www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/16/barack-obama/mitt-romney-had-millions-swiss-bank-account-barack/ Now back up your claim. It's obviously over your head that quite often foreign investors are assembled and money is deposited in off-shore banks for the purpose of investing in the U.S. so those foreign investors will be taxed under the laws of their respective countries. Unfortunately the uninformed think this is an evil undertaking when in fact, those off-shore investors are actually investing their money in the U.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #172 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA? Ya Just like the Obama's www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/ www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/16/barack-obama/mitt-romney-had-millions-swiss-bank-account-barack/ Now back up your claim. It's obviously over your head that quite often foreign investors are assembled and money is deposited in off-shore banks for the purpose of investing in the U.S. so those foreign investors will be taxed under the laws of their respective countries. Unfortunately the uninformed think this is an evil undertaking when in fact, those off-shore investors are actually investing their money in the U.S. Are you claiming that Romney is not a US citizen? A new "birther" conspiracy? Oh the humanity.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #173 July 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteTaxes 15 years ago were higher than now, and didn't ruinthe country. In fact it was doing very well. Then GWB and the GOP gave the farm away. The last decade or so is an excellent example of low business taxes not stimulating job growth. Well, when job creators "businessmen" like Romney stash their cash in the Caymans and Bermuda and Switzerland, how would it stimulate growth in the USA? Ya Just like the Obama's www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/17/barack-obama/obama-ad-says-romney-stashed-money-cayman-islands/ www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/16/barack-obama/mitt-romney-had-millions-swiss-bank-account-barack/ Now back up your claim. It's obviously over your head that quite often foreign investors are assembled and money is deposited in off-shore banks for the purpose of investing in the U.S. so those foreign investors will be taxed under the laws of their respective countries. Unfortunately the uninformed think this is an evil undertaking when in fact, those off-shore investors are actually investing their money in the U.S. Are you claiming that Romney is not a US citizen? A new "birther" conspiracy? Oh the humanity. No, I'm telling you that this is nothing unusual. It's done all the time by sucessful Transnational businessmen. Why should foreign investors put their money in U.S. banks and pay the high corporate tax left-wingers like you scream for? Or didn't you think oppressive tax policy had real world consequences? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #174 July 18, 2012 It's Mitt's money. You'd think that this is Ireland and Mitt is Bono with the way he's villified for actually wanting to keep a bigger part of what he earned. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 897 #175 July 18, 2012 What happened to admiration and respect for those that succeed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
