normiss 898 #226 July 19, 2012 The result is they now choose to blow it as a deduction rather than put it back into the business. Why does our gooberment want to reward us for irresponsible behavior? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #227 July 19, 2012 QuoteThe result is they now choose to blow it as a deduction rather than put it back into the business. Why does our gooberment want to reward us for irresponsible behavior? What? Can you rephrase that, because I'm not following how they'd take the deduction without putting it back into the business. Our government taxes income. If the company makes money, they can either reinvest it, and deduct that from their income, or they can keep it as profits and pay taxes on it as income. If you disagree with this approach, what alternative would you suggest? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #228 July 19, 2012 Yea, I wrote the gibberish that was in my head. It just seems to me the way the rules are written is exactly what encourages the desire to spend all the money you can as part of doing business. A business owner can take very little salary, yet end up not paying for any personal expenses out of pocket - this is THE reason I stopped doing business with a local credit union after being made aware the CEO perks on top of his $600,000 salary.....he is living free off the business. Write off the vehicle, the fuel, all the credit cards, home repairs, the lunches, the trips, the vacation...errr....the business trip for research....etc etc etc. That's part of why I like going to lunch with some of my business owner friends. They always buy. So, thank you US taxpayer for buying the rounds of drinks at the titty bar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #229 July 19, 2012 Quote Yea, I wrote the gibberish that was in my head. It just seems to me the way the rules are written is exactly what encourages the desire to spend all the money you can as part of doing business. A business owner can take very little salary, yet end up not paying for any personal expenses out of pocket - this is THE reason I stopped doing business with a local credit union after being made aware the CEO perks on top of his $600,000 salary.....he is living free off the business. Write off the vehicle, the fuel, all the credit cards, home repairs, the lunches, the trips, the vacation...errr....the business trip for research....etc etc etc. That's part of why I like going to lunch with some of my business owner friends. They always buy. So, thank you US taxpayer for buying the rounds of drinks at the titty bar. Indeed, so why are these small business owners so whiny when the dice are definitely loaded in their favor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #230 July 19, 2012 Why is our gooberment so set on rewarding bad behavior? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #231 July 19, 2012 >He demonstrates that over and over ... even with his attacks on Romney. This crap >about Mitt possibly being a Felon comes with a complete lack of understanding >corporate structure. If Romney falsified statements to the SEC, that is a felony. (Just as if Obama did it it would be a felony.) Yes, most people have a complete misunderstanding of corporate structure. Most people think that if you are listed on SEC documents as the CEO, were paid six figures during that time, and described yourself as an "executive" with Bain, you had something to do with the company. And these people vote. > Obama wants to claim it is he who is creating jobs I find it funny that the GOP waffles between two positions: "Obama's bad decisions lose Americans jobs!" "Obama's other decisions have NOTHING TO DO with jobs. The President just doesn't have that kind of effect, and only an idiot would claim he does." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #232 July 20, 2012 QuoteThe whole mindset of "if I spend $3000 to better my business, the gooberment will let me take 30% of those costs off my taxes" isn't always an attractive plan to a business. It reminds me of the shopping cause it's on sale mentality. It STILL takes money out of their pockets. No matter what color the fish is. The amount of money it takes out of their pockets for "bettering their business" is not affected by the income tax rate.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #233 July 20, 2012 I think the point here is Obama targeted the wrong individuals. He took an unchoreographed swipe at small biz and it bit back by exposing him for who he really is..."social justice anti-capitalist". http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/07/19/talking-points-memo-the-real-barack-obama-finally-stands-up/Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #234 July 20, 2012 QuoteI think the point here is Obama targeted the wrong individuals. He took an unchoreographed swipe at small biz and it bit back by exposing him for who he really is..."social justice anti-capitalist". What "unchoreographed swipe at small biz" is that? A recent analysis by the U.S. Treasury found that only 2.5 percent of small business owners would pay higher taxes (the survey looked at businesses with incomes and deductions of less than $10 million). In expressing concern for "small" business, Republicans often use an overly broad definition that includes mega-wealthy hedge fund managers and other firms organized as partnerships. Obama is right when he notes that 98 percent of American taxpayers wouldn't be asked to fork over another dime.Source And But to what extent would Obama’s tax plan actually affect small businesses? In its latest estimate last month, Congress’s nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation found that in 2013, just 3.5 percent of small business tax filers would pay a higher rate — about 940,000 individuals, many of whom are lawyers and doctors in partnerships. But those few percent account for 53 percent of all small business income.Source And As even House Speaker John Boehner has been known to admit, only 3 percent of small firm proprietors would be affected by these higher taxes, precisely because what’s taxed is profits, not gross revenue. Relatively few people—whether they’re highly skilled professionals, managers of large firms, or owners of small businesses—are successful enough to have more than $250,000 in take-home pay. Those who do, however, derive political benefit from the evident confusion of more humble business owners. Source See also: Still True: Obama Plan Won't Raise Taxes On 97% Of Small BusinessesMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #235 July 20, 2012 Funny that you miss the entire point. His swipe was telling small business owners that they didn't build their small business. Or that they didn't build the roads and the bridges. Has nothing to do with whether he wants to raise their taxes or not. He could have told them he wanted to lower their tax rates. But that's not what he said either. So if it wasn't unchoreographed then he knew exactly what he was doing...class warfare. Either way it will probably go down in history with George's glance at his watch and Lloyd Benson's "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy". I know it pains you to see your messiah with that big size 13 in his mouth. Not to worry...you've only got a few more months to look at it. Thanks for the gift Barry. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #236 July 20, 2012 QuoteHis swipe was telling small business owners that they didn't build their small business. Pointing out that businesses need society in order to be successful is hardly a swipe. It's just a sound observation.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #237 July 20, 2012 QuotePointing out that businesses need society in order to be successful is hardly a swipe. It's just a sound observation. [/replyt] That is a sound observation. Much like pointing out that toy didn't communicate that idea. The words you used? Invented by others. The thought youy transitted? You didn't write that. Someone else did it. Pointing out that you couldn't have communicated that thought without people like me reading it is simply common sense. But to suggest that it isn't your thought? That's a whole different thing. You know the difference. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #238 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuotePointing out that businesses need society in order to be successful is hardly a swipe. It's just a sound observation. That is a sound observation. Much like pointing out that toy didn't communicate that idea. The words you used? Invented by others. The thought youy transitted? You didn't write that. Someone else did it. Pointing out that you couldn't have communicated that thought without people like me reading it is simply common sense. But to suggest that it isn't your thought? That's a whole different thing. You know the difference. I haven't seen any passage from Obama stating that an entrepreneur's thought isn't his/her own. Would you be so kind as to provide a link? Thanks.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #239 July 20, 2012 QuoteWhy is our gooberment so set on rewarding bad behavior? OK, so you want to talk about Wall Street bankers. Carry on.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 898 #240 July 20, 2012 They are by no means an island. fucking people not paying their mortgage in 4 years ...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #241 July 20, 2012 Good article by Charles Krauthammer: Obama's Vision Places Government, Not People, First Good article by Thomas Sowell: Trashing AchievementsWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #242 July 21, 2012 QuoteGood article by Charles Krauthammer: Obama's Vision Places Government, Not People, First Good article by Thomas Sowell: Trashing Achievements Good stuff. Thanks. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #243 July 21, 2012 >What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #244 July 21, 2012 Quote>What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. True in a way, cause that is what he said first. Then, as many have hear, he tried to change it to things the gov provided. He is getting beat over this stupid short sighted comment. As he should be == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == That is what he moved to to cover his butt"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brenthutch 444 #245 July 21, 2012 A gaff is when a politician says what they realy think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93SldBytjE [url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8XhQfvpW8[url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #246 July 22, 2012 Quote A gaff is when a politician says what they realy think. Well, we know what Mitt thinks - both sides of every issue, and whatever his current audience wants to hear.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brenthutch 444 #247 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuote A gaff is when a politician says what they realy think. Well, we know what Mitt thinks - both sides of every issue, and whatever his current audience wants to hear. In other words, whatever will get him elected. Not much conviction or moral base, certainly no Ronald Regan. But at least he is not a communist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrrnkKmUzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brenthutch 444 #248 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuote>What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. True in a way, cause that is what he said first. Then, as many have hear, he tried to change it to things the gov provided. He is getting beat over this stupid short sighted comment. As he should be == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == That is what he moved to to cover his butt What he did was to provide a peek at his true would view. These are gaffes [url][url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM&feature=related">QuoteQuote>What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. True in a way, cause that is what he said first. Then, as many have hear, he tried to change it to things the gov provided. He is getting beat over this stupid short sighted comment. As he should be == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == That is what he moved to to cover his butt What he did was to provide a peek at his true would view. These are gaffes [url][url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM&feature=related The above are gaffes This is a window his true beliefs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFPzVp3MvFg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #249 July 22, 2012 Quote In other words, whatever will get him elected. Not much conviction or moral base, certainly no Ronald Regan. But at least he is not a communist. Moral base and conviction... Are we talking about the same Ronald Regan? The one who sold weapons to Islamic extremist who held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days? What do you suppose would happen if Obama was found to have sold weapons to Iran? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #250 July 22, 2012 >True in a way, cause that is what he said first. No, that's what FOX News said. They edited his comment to make it sound like he said that. But you bought it, so it must have worked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 Next Page 10 of 11 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
jcd11235 0 #238 July 20, 2012 QuoteQuotePointing out that businesses need society in order to be successful is hardly a swipe. It's just a sound observation. That is a sound observation. Much like pointing out that toy didn't communicate that idea. The words you used? Invented by others. The thought youy transitted? You didn't write that. Someone else did it. Pointing out that you couldn't have communicated that thought without people like me reading it is simply common sense. But to suggest that it isn't your thought? That's a whole different thing. You know the difference. I haven't seen any passage from Obama stating that an entrepreneur's thought isn't his/her own. Would you be so kind as to provide a link? Thanks.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #239 July 20, 2012 QuoteWhy is our gooberment so set on rewarding bad behavior? OK, so you want to talk about Wall Street bankers. Carry on.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #240 July 20, 2012 They are by no means an island. fucking people not paying their mortgage in 4 years ...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #241 July 20, 2012 Good article by Charles Krauthammer: Obama's Vision Places Government, Not People, First Good article by Thomas Sowell: Trashing AchievementsWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #242 July 21, 2012 QuoteGood article by Charles Krauthammer: Obama's Vision Places Government, Not People, First Good article by Thomas Sowell: Trashing Achievements Good stuff. Thanks. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #243 July 21, 2012 >What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #244 July 21, 2012 Quote>What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. True in a way, cause that is what he said first. Then, as many have hear, he tried to change it to things the gov provided. He is getting beat over this stupid short sighted comment. As he should be == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == That is what he moved to to cover his butt"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #245 July 21, 2012 A gaff is when a politician says what they realy think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_93SldBytjE [url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j8XhQfvpW8[url] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #246 July 22, 2012 Quote A gaff is when a politician says what they realy think. Well, we know what Mitt thinks - both sides of every issue, and whatever his current audience wants to hear.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #247 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuote A gaff is when a politician says what they realy think. Well, we know what Mitt thinks - both sides of every issue, and whatever his current audience wants to hear. In other words, whatever will get him elected. Not much conviction or moral base, certainly no Ronald Regan. But at least he is not a communist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrrnkKmUzo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-HqHSkYG-Y&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #248 July 22, 2012 QuoteQuote>What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. True in a way, cause that is what he said first. Then, as many have hear, he tried to change it to things the gov provided. He is getting beat over this stupid short sighted comment. As he should be == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == That is what he moved to to cover his butt What he did was to provide a peek at his true would view. These are gaffes [url][url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM&feature=related">QuoteQuote>What is bizarre and sad it he thinks nearly no one can succede without his government No, he didn't claim that the government did it . He just claimed that people just don't do it alone. True in a way, cause that is what he said first. Then, as many have hear, he tried to change it to things the gov provided. He is getting beat over this stupid short sighted comment. As he should be == There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing. . . . a lot of people help you in a business. . Banks, investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help. == That is what he moved to to cover his butt What he did was to provide a peek at his true would view. These are gaffes [url][url] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_AAMa_X2dM&feature=related The above are gaffes This is a window his true beliefs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFPzVp3MvFg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #249 July 22, 2012 Quote In other words, whatever will get him elected. Not much conviction or moral base, certainly no Ronald Regan. But at least he is not a communist. Moral base and conviction... Are we talking about the same Ronald Regan? The one who sold weapons to Islamic extremist who held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days? What do you suppose would happen if Obama was found to have sold weapons to Iran? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #250 July 22, 2012 >True in a way, cause that is what he said first. No, that's what FOX News said. They edited his comment to make it sound like he said that. But you bought it, so it must have worked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
