normiss 868 #1 July 9, 2012 alah is clearly good Morons do this. Religious fanatical idiots do this. THIS is what religion gives us. History continues it's repeat. Selective killing in the name of some magical fairy in the sky. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #2 July 9, 2012 Can't access youtube from work, but I'm guessing this is the execution of a woman by the Taliban. If so, two Taliban "commanders" had relations with the women, then both decided to accuse her of adultery.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #3 July 9, 2012 They're just doing alah's bidding. Perfectly normal behavior in the world of religious idiocy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #4 July 9, 2012 In a sense she got lucky, she was shot and thus saved the horror of traditional stoning, which prescribes the use of stones that are big enough to hurt and wound you but small enough to not result in a quick death. It's effectively a primitive way to torture someone to death, and IIRC it can take victims up to an hour to die. Funny fact: while males are buried waist deep, women are buried chest deep before they're stoned to death. God forbid that she's indecently exposed while she's tortured to death, it might cause psychological damage in onlooking children or something. Behold the warped ethics of Abrahamic Religion. (I think it's unfair to judge every religion by the atrocities committed in the name of some religions. While it's (for example) trés lunatique to be a tree-hugging Wiccan, their faith is inherently peaceful and tolerant.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Namowal 0 #5 July 9, 2012 Quote alah is clearly good Morons do this. Religious fanatical idiots do this. THIS is what religion gives us. History continues it's repeat. Selective killing in the name of some magical fairy in the sky. On the other hand, most religious people I know don't behave that way or condone that kind of thing. Heck, even the ones who know I'm an infidel don't give me a hard time. That being said, I'm cynical enough to believe that if you waved a magic wand that somehow removed religion from the planet, there would still be pockets of fanatics here and there that killed selectively for some other cause they came up with. My blog with the skydiving duck cartoons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #6 July 9, 2012 So you're simply ignoring religious history. OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Namowal 0 #7 July 9, 2012 QuoteSo you're simply ignoring religious history. OK. Well, you have a point there- lots of atrocious behavior in the name of religion- but I'm wondering if people would have behaved badly anyway? Cooking up some other excuse to mistreat each other?My blog with the skydiving duck cartoons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #8 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo you're simply ignoring religious history. OK. Well, you have a point there- lots of atrocious behavior in the name of religion- but I'm wondering if people would have behaved badly anyway? Cooking up some other excuse to mistreat each other? OK, but they'd have to take personal responsibility for their atrocities, rather than just claiming that some invisible being told them to act atrociously.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #9 July 9, 2012 The only reason that contemporary Christianity is relatively civilized, is because Christian persecutions were outlawed. It's as simple as that. Before that it was about as civilized as the Mayan religion, including the practice of torturing people to death in spectacular public displays to ward off evil. Islam was a bit more civilized and tolerant, but not that much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #10 July 9, 2012 Quote alah is clearly good Morons do this. Religious fanatical idiots do this. THIS is what religion gives us. History continues it's repeat. Selective killing in the name of some magical fairy in the sky. Yeah, atheists have *never* publicly executed someone have they?You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #11 July 9, 2012 Quote Well, you have a point there- lots of atrocious behavior in the name of religion- but I'm wondering if people would have behaved badly anyway? Cooking up some other excuse to mistreat each other? It's not so much religion, I think, it's dogmatic faith that's dangerous. For a non-religious example: dogmatic faith in communism also resulted in a large pile of corpses. Religion is different because it results in punishments for completely mind-numbingly stupid reasons. There were people put to death for causing thunderstorms and shape-shifting into a cat for example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #12 July 9, 2012 >Cooking up some other excuse to mistreat each other? Of course. Patriotism, nationalism, family pride, you name it. Religion isn't unique in that respect, it's just very easy to hijack. It's a lot easier to question a president than question God. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #13 July 9, 2012 Quote Yeah, atheists have *never* publicly executed someone have they? Of course they did, but not because of their lack of believe in Gods. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #14 July 9, 2012 I dunno. I'm not speaking of atheists in this post. Not really interested in an atheist's view regarding religious violence. It's somewhat defeated by name alone if you think about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #15 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuote Yeah, atheists have *never* publicly executed someone have they? Of course they did, but not because of their lack of believe in Gods. Some did. Stalin sent squads out and when they asked people if they believed in God, if they answered yes, they were shot on the spot. Any rate, the argument in the OP ultimately is an appeal to "zomg religious people are nuts and kill people (and therefore, atheists are more moral, upstanding, whatever)" which as history will show, is total nonsense.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #16 July 9, 2012 Quote alah is clearly good Morons do this. Religious fanatical idiots do this. THIS is what religion gives us. History continues it's repeat. Selective killing in the name of some magical fairy in the sky. Same time, the international community of states decided to support Afghanistan with that little bit of money, about 16 billion US$$$, for reconstruction of their country. Yesterday evening, 6 US soldiers have been killed by a bomb attack in eastern Afghanistan. That's a f*ucked up sitation there Pumping money into such countries endlessly does not change anything. We all finally should leave them alone with their religion, that warped view of the world in todays 21st century - which in fact did not reach them dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #17 July 9, 2012 No, that's incorrect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #18 July 9, 2012 QuoteSome did. Stalin sent squads out and when they asked people if they believed in God, if they answered yes, they were shot on the spot. I believe this is total bogus, it sounds like fear-mongering from the Cold War but you can provide me a link to change my mind. Stalin did persecute religious people because religious dogma competed with communist dogma. I do reject state atheism as much as state religion, btw, and that goes for the great majority of Western non-believers. QuoteAny rate, the argument in the OP ultimately is an appeal to "zomg religious people are nuts and kill people (and therefore, atheists are more moral, upstanding, whatever)" which as history will show, is total nonsense. I disagree with the OP because I think there's large differences between religions. The religions of the far east tend to be relatively benign for example, but If one studies the history of Christianity, one can only conclude it's an extremely violent religion. It's good to keep in mind that it goes through a relatively civilized phase ATM, and that one shouldn't judge contemporary Christians based on their religion. But that doesn't absolve the ideology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #19 July 9, 2012 Quote .... Some did. Stalin sent squads out and when they asked people if they believed in God, if they answered yes, they were shot on the spot. .... BS. In *mopping-up* operations, Stalin arranged the killing of nearly everbody who's been agains him/the party, not especially believers. Typical hearsay you provide here just shows, you have no clue. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #20 July 9, 2012 A prime example would be the Maratha Mughal war. Or the Chinese acceptance of religion (specifically Buddhism, but given that the Tibetans are tolerant of all religions - all are targeted) in Tibet. Hindus in India surely love their Christian neighbors. Muslims all over that region have been killing Christians forever. Christianity is not the only violent religion by any measure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #21 July 9, 2012 QuoteA prime example would be the Maratha Mughal war. Or the Chinese acceptance of religion (specifically Buddhism, but given that the Tibetans are tolerant of all religions - all are targeted) in Tibet. Hindus in India surely love their Christian neighbors. Muslims all over that region have been killing Christians forever. Christianity is not the only violent religion by any measure. If you can get people to believe in an imaginary god, you can get them to do pretty much anything. People that need shepherds are usually pretty malleable."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 868 #22 July 9, 2012 Don't eat my liver!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #23 July 9, 2012 Quote Don't eat my liver!!!! Why, is there something wrong with it? "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #24 July 9, 2012 I didn't claim that Christianity is the only violent religion, but AFAICS it's one of the most violent religions. It's sister religion Islam is also very violent. A good thing for the rest of the world both religions where also mortal enemies and are locked in perpetual combat. Of the examples you provided 3 out of 4 are (also) about Christians an Muslims IIRC. I don't have some naive notion that other religions are peaceful and tolerant, but relatively spoken they are compared to C and I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #25 July 9, 2012 QuotePeople that need shepherds are usually pretty malleable. I like that one. Hope you don't mind if I use it, cuz I'm going to." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
