ryoder 1,590 #51 July 7, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. I'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Whats Jews got to do with this, he didn't mention Jews? I think that is an intermediate step before Godwin'ing a thread."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #52 July 7, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSlavery existed in many parts of the world up until the 19th century. only African-American still complain about it. It's a matter of scale, recency, decency, and sequelae. You'd make a lousy historian, on several levels. But as is your general pattern on these boards, you do make a fair-to-middling troll. You know, Walter E. Williams has made the same basic statement on the radio a year or two back. And, he is a black man, college professor. Bill Cosby and Alvin Poussaint, also. But their points still do not invalidate my reply to Mr. Troll: that the reason why our history of slavery still resonates in American culture is because of scale, recency, decency, and sequelae. That notion, and the arguments of Williams, Cosby and Poussaint, far from being mutually exclusive, co-exist in harmony. I understand that.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #53 July 7, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteCR makes his living being controversial just like many others e.g., Rush Limbaugh. More power to them. They are funny and entertaining. Anyone that take them seriously enough to have their feelings hurt has a low self-esteem. You really think the Dems suck up to CR like the Gop sucks uo to RL? No, I don't think Liberal Democrats can handle CR. To me he is a comedian for Conservatives.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #54 July 8, 2012 QuoteHappy White People's Day That's like everyday in Detroit as long as you're not getting mugged...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #55 July 8, 2012 QuoteI'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Judging by his bank account, I have to disagree...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #56 July 8, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. I'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Whats Jews got to do with this, he didn't mention Jews? I think that is an intermediate step before Godwin'ing a thread. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #57 July 8, 2012 QuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #58 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Is this a serious post...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #59 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. I'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Whats Jews got to do with this, he didn't mention Jews? I think that is an intermediate step before Godwin'ing a thread. Nah, we're talking Pharoah here. FWIW, for all the bitching at Seder, Jews were not "enslaved" in the sense that Negroes were in the American Colonies. Having drifted into Egypt because that was where the food was, the Children of Israel recognized a good thing when they saw it, and stuck around. Needing personnel for Public Works Projects (not pyramids in particular for the Hebrews), the Egyptians instituted a sort of draft, where the Hebrew community provided the bulk of its able bodied work force for manual and skilled labor. Like those in the Armed Forces, the role of the personnel so detailed was somewhere between voluntary and enslaved. They were obligated to work, but they were paid and had Union rules (Shabbat - a day off a week - was granted by the Egyptians, who considered it a sign that Hebrews were lazy). There was no "personal ownership" involved, as one saw with the slave auctions in the Deep South of the U.S., and Hebrews had the right of property ownership and the right to arms. Thus, I would take the "let my people go" type of slavery of the Jews in Egypt over the "Roots" type slavery of Negroes in the U.S. any day. Then again, you could not give me enough money to trade places with Chris Rock. To have to be this generation's contribution to Stepin Fetchit's legacy would be too much to bear. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #60 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Is this a serious post...? Nah, he's just doing what he loves accusing others of....trolling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #61 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Is this a serious post...? Nah, he's just doing what he loves accusing others of....trolling. Maybe these will help him out: http://www.google.com/search?q=mirror&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=sYv5T9bGJ6bh0QGvufHMBg&biw=1024&bih=573&sei=tov5T8n3CeqC0QH3sM38BgYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #62 July 8, 2012 Quote Then again, you could not give me enough money to trade places with Chris Rock. To have to be this generation's contribution to Stepin Fetchit's legacy would be too much to bear. That reminds me of this line I saw him deliver in a stand-up routine: "Not one white man in this room would want to trade places with me - and I'm RICH!""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Marinus 0 #63 July 8, 2012 QuoteIt's a matter of scale, If it's all about scale, why is there so little whining and bitching about the Arab slave trade? Personally I think that 150 years is more then enough time to get over it, btw. The Dutch were proficient slave-traders back in the day, but if someone thinks they can hold me accountable for that, that I somehow owe them anything because of that, they can... how do Americans say it... go fuck themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #64 July 8, 2012 +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgiaDon 380 #65 July 8, 2012 QuotePersonally I think that 150 years is more then enough time to get over it, btw. Slavery may have ended 150 (ish) years ago in the US, but it was replaced in much of the country by Jim Crow laws that ensured that blacks were denied educational opportunities, political representation, equal justice, and on and on. When I started as faculty at the University of Georgia, I went thorough an orientation that included the history of the University. One thing that stood out was a series of photos of the student riots that happened when the school accepted the first black students (as a result of court ordered desegregation), in January 1961. It occurred to me at the time (1996) that those photos were taken a mere 35 years ago, and the students in those photos would now mostly be in their mid to late 50's, a point in life where people have moved up the corporate/administrative ladder and have a lot more power to affect people than 20-year-old students do. If they were so full of hate as a 20-year-old in 1961, how much have they really changed in their heart in 35 years? Maybe a lot, maybe not. On the other side of the race coin, we still have a lot of people who grew up under Jim Crow, and in a culture that values family and the "wisdom" of their elders, the bitterness that was put in place still bears sour fruit. Black kids are still sometimes chastised and ostracized for "acting white", meaning doing well in school. There are still a lot of barriers that have to come down before the US "culture" (as if there is such a thing) is close to color blind, on all sides. It'll take more than a couple of generations. Anyway, the point is when it comes to the US we're talking about a couple of generations, not 150 years. Events that are within the living memory of a significant segment of the population are not ancient history. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #66 July 8, 2012 Pigford v Glickman How many more $Billions until white guilt is eased? http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29166.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #67 July 8, 2012 Nicely said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgiaDon 380 #68 July 8, 2012 QuotePigford v Glickman How many more $Billions until white guilt is eased? http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29166.phpUSDA helping to support white farmers, while illegally denying such help to black farmers, is a perfect example of institutionalized racism. Note that the USDA admitted that the problem continued until 1997, which is hardly "ancient history". Do you have a problem in general with people who ask for compensation when they are harmed by illegal activity, or only if the victims are black? Maybe you think the courts should only try to recover embezzled funds from Bernie Madoff's white victims, because compensating black investors would be "white guilt"? Here's a hint: if a crime specifically targets black farmers, most of the victims will be (you guessed it) black farmers! Interesting "news" source you linked to. It seems to make quite an art of race baiting. Also, it seems anyone who isn't a white Christian is out to destroy America. If that's where you get your "news" from, it explains a lot. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #69 July 9, 2012 No surprise that a guilty white liberal would completely overlook the rip-off that took place in this "settlement" Of course the accusation of racism is standard operating procedure from the left wing white liberal. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=265_1291822588 Sure, there's been racism by lenders but this "settlement" was nothing more than a way to open up the Treasury for reparations. It's how the white lieral get the black man to vote for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #70 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo surprise that a guilty white liberal would completely overlook the rip-off that took place in this "settlement" Of course the accusation of racism is standard operating procedure from the left wing white liberal. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=265_1291822588 Sure, there's been racism by lenders but this "settlement" was nothing more than a way to open up the Treasury for reparations. It's how the white lieral get the black man to vote for him. Keep going, you're on a roll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #71 July 9, 2012 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #72 July 9, 2012 Last week Walter E. Williams made an interesting observation. Namely, black people have endured through slavery and decades of the Jim Crow laws only to be undone by liberal welfare. http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #73 July 9, 2012 Like racism, government dependency will take generations to undo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgiaDon 380 #74 July 9, 2012 QuoteOf course the accusation of racism is standard operating procedure from the left wing white liberal. I did not make any accusation, the people who were victimized did. The USDA admits that their agents systematically denied loans to black farmers, so the situation has moved from accusation to documented fact. Also I don't believe we have ever met, so I don't know on what basis you'd be making assumptions about my race. Of course next to you Atilla the Hun would be a left wing liberal, so maybe I'll admit to that, but only in the sense that I disapprove of shitting on people based on their skin color. QuoteSure, there's been racism by lenders but...Maybe you've heard the expression "Damning with faint praise"? I think what you've done here is "Praising with faint damnation". Quote...this "settlement" was nothing more than a way to open up the Treasury for reparations.It's up to the courts to determine who is and who is not a legitimate applicant for compensation. It's not up to me, and not you. People have to show evidence they applied for a loan, were unfairly rejected, and suffered harm. There may be a lot of claimants, but it certainly isn't every black American, and certainly can't fairly be called "reparations". QuoteIt's how the white lieral get the black man to vote for him.As opposed to the white conservative, whose perspective is "fuck 'em, they won't vote for us anyway"? I'd prefer to avoid either stereotype and let people say what they stand for, thank you. BTW cute "spelling mistake". Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #75 July 9, 2012 QuotePeople are pissed off precisely because it is true and reminds them what a fucked up deal it was No, it is because some people still try to disassociate themselves to start trouble. 236 years ago "Happy White Peoples Day" would have been a true statement, today it is not. December 6, 1865, July 9, 1868, and February 3, 1870 were intended to include everyone and that comment, legally, became null and void. QuoteA lot of our founding fathers were fucked up. A lot of people then and now are fucked up. 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Coreece 190 #54 July 8, 2012 QuoteHappy White People's Day That's like everyday in Detroit as long as you're not getting mugged...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #55 July 8, 2012 QuoteI'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Judging by his bank account, I have to disagree...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #56 July 8, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. I'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Whats Jews got to do with this, he didn't mention Jews? I think that is an intermediate step before Godwin'ing a thread. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #57 July 8, 2012 QuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #58 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Is this a serious post...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #59 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. I'm not offended... I just think he is ignorant. Whats Jews got to do with this, he didn't mention Jews? I think that is an intermediate step before Godwin'ing a thread. Nah, we're talking Pharoah here. FWIW, for all the bitching at Seder, Jews were not "enslaved" in the sense that Negroes were in the American Colonies. Having drifted into Egypt because that was where the food was, the Children of Israel recognized a good thing when they saw it, and stuck around. Needing personnel for Public Works Projects (not pyramids in particular for the Hebrews), the Egyptians instituted a sort of draft, where the Hebrew community provided the bulk of its able bodied work force for manual and skilled labor. Like those in the Armed Forces, the role of the personnel so detailed was somewhere between voluntary and enslaved. They were obligated to work, but they were paid and had Union rules (Shabbat - a day off a week - was granted by the Egyptians, who considered it a sign that Hebrews were lazy). There was no "personal ownership" involved, as one saw with the slave auctions in the Deep South of the U.S., and Hebrews had the right of property ownership and the right to arms. Thus, I would take the "let my people go" type of slavery of the Jews in Egypt over the "Roots" type slavery of Negroes in the U.S. any day. Then again, you could not give me enough money to trade places with Chris Rock. To have to be this generation's contribution to Stepin Fetchit's legacy would be too much to bear. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #60 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Is this a serious post...? Nah, he's just doing what he loves accusing others of....trolling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #61 July 8, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure the Blacks and Jews who fought in the Revolution would be quite offended. Most Jews I know look like This and not like This. And it's a safe bet that many, if not most, blacks who fought in the revolution looked like This. Is this a serious post...? Nah, he's just doing what he loves accusing others of....trolling. Maybe these will help him out: http://www.google.com/search?q=mirror&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=sYv5T9bGJ6bh0QGvufHMBg&biw=1024&bih=573&sei=tov5T8n3CeqC0QH3sM38BgYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #62 July 8, 2012 Quote Then again, you could not give me enough money to trade places with Chris Rock. To have to be this generation's contribution to Stepin Fetchit's legacy would be too much to bear. That reminds me of this line I saw him deliver in a stand-up routine: "Not one white man in this room would want to trade places with me - and I'm RICH!""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #63 July 8, 2012 QuoteIt's a matter of scale, If it's all about scale, why is there so little whining and bitching about the Arab slave trade? Personally I think that 150 years is more then enough time to get over it, btw. The Dutch were proficient slave-traders back in the day, but if someone thinks they can hold me accountable for that, that I somehow owe them anything because of that, they can... how do Americans say it... go fuck themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #65 July 8, 2012 QuotePersonally I think that 150 years is more then enough time to get over it, btw. Slavery may have ended 150 (ish) years ago in the US, but it was replaced in much of the country by Jim Crow laws that ensured that blacks were denied educational opportunities, political representation, equal justice, and on and on. When I started as faculty at the University of Georgia, I went thorough an orientation that included the history of the University. One thing that stood out was a series of photos of the student riots that happened when the school accepted the first black students (as a result of court ordered desegregation), in January 1961. It occurred to me at the time (1996) that those photos were taken a mere 35 years ago, and the students in those photos would now mostly be in their mid to late 50's, a point in life where people have moved up the corporate/administrative ladder and have a lot more power to affect people than 20-year-old students do. If they were so full of hate as a 20-year-old in 1961, how much have they really changed in their heart in 35 years? Maybe a lot, maybe not. On the other side of the race coin, we still have a lot of people who grew up under Jim Crow, and in a culture that values family and the "wisdom" of their elders, the bitterness that was put in place still bears sour fruit. Black kids are still sometimes chastised and ostracized for "acting white", meaning doing well in school. There are still a lot of barriers that have to come down before the US "culture" (as if there is such a thing) is close to color blind, on all sides. It'll take more than a couple of generations. Anyway, the point is when it comes to the US we're talking about a couple of generations, not 150 years. Events that are within the living memory of a significant segment of the population are not ancient history. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #66 July 8, 2012 Pigford v Glickman How many more $Billions until white guilt is eased? http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29166.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #68 July 8, 2012 QuotePigford v Glickman How many more $Billions until white guilt is eased? http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_301_29166.phpUSDA helping to support white farmers, while illegally denying such help to black farmers, is a perfect example of institutionalized racism. Note that the USDA admitted that the problem continued until 1997, which is hardly "ancient history". Do you have a problem in general with people who ask for compensation when they are harmed by illegal activity, or only if the victims are black? Maybe you think the courts should only try to recover embezzled funds from Bernie Madoff's white victims, because compensating black investors would be "white guilt"? Here's a hint: if a crime specifically targets black farmers, most of the victims will be (you guessed it) black farmers! Interesting "news" source you linked to. It seems to make quite an art of race baiting. Also, it seems anyone who isn't a white Christian is out to destroy America. If that's where you get your "news" from, it explains a lot. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #69 July 9, 2012 No surprise that a guilty white liberal would completely overlook the rip-off that took place in this "settlement" Of course the accusation of racism is standard operating procedure from the left wing white liberal. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=265_1291822588 Sure, there's been racism by lenders but this "settlement" was nothing more than a way to open up the Treasury for reparations. It's how the white lieral get the black man to vote for him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #70 July 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo surprise that a guilty white liberal would completely overlook the rip-off that took place in this "settlement" Of course the accusation of racism is standard operating procedure from the left wing white liberal. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=265_1291822588 Sure, there's been racism by lenders but this "settlement" was nothing more than a way to open up the Treasury for reparations. It's how the white lieral get the black man to vote for him. Keep going, you're on a roll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #72 July 9, 2012 Last week Walter E. Williams made an interesting observation. Namely, black people have endured through slavery and decades of the Jim Crow laws only to be undone by liberal welfare. http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #73 July 9, 2012 Like racism, government dependency will take generations to undo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #74 July 9, 2012 QuoteOf course the accusation of racism is standard operating procedure from the left wing white liberal. I did not make any accusation, the people who were victimized did. The USDA admits that their agents systematically denied loans to black farmers, so the situation has moved from accusation to documented fact. Also I don't believe we have ever met, so I don't know on what basis you'd be making assumptions about my race. Of course next to you Atilla the Hun would be a left wing liberal, so maybe I'll admit to that, but only in the sense that I disapprove of shitting on people based on their skin color. QuoteSure, there's been racism by lenders but...Maybe you've heard the expression "Damning with faint praise"? I think what you've done here is "Praising with faint damnation". Quote...this "settlement" was nothing more than a way to open up the Treasury for reparations.It's up to the courts to determine who is and who is not a legitimate applicant for compensation. It's not up to me, and not you. People have to show evidence they applied for a loan, were unfairly rejected, and suffered harm. There may be a lot of claimants, but it certainly isn't every black American, and certainly can't fairly be called "reparations". QuoteIt's how the white lieral get the black man to vote for him.As opposed to the white conservative, whose perspective is "fuck 'em, they won't vote for us anyway"? I'd prefer to avoid either stereotype and let people say what they stand for, thank you. BTW cute "spelling mistake". Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #75 July 9, 2012 QuotePeople are pissed off precisely because it is true and reminds them what a fucked up deal it was No, it is because some people still try to disassociate themselves to start trouble. 236 years ago "Happy White Peoples Day" would have been a true statement, today it is not. December 6, 1865, July 9, 1868, and February 3, 1870 were intended to include everyone and that comment, legally, became null and void. QuoteA lot of our founding fathers were fucked up. A lot of people then and now are fucked up. Still does not change that they created a system of govt that has lasted longer than most of the govts on this planet and helped create one of the most powerful nations ever seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
