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[mjosparky 4]

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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

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Source – Kind of vauge.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[Coreece 190]

It doesn't matter...we've come to the point of no return with regard to the NWO...may God help us all.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Source – Kind of vauge.

Yeah, no kiddin'. When i googled it, i found all sorts of claims as to when and where it comes from as far back as Mid-Jan, 2010. http://rightssource.blogspot.com/2010/01/confederacy-of-fools.html Which is not to say the post I just linked is the actual source, but just the earliest I cared to search for it.

What I find fascinating are people that update the date of it claiming its source was more recent, the time goes on and somebody else does it again.

It's like if somebody read the Emancipation Proclamation tonight and then claimed it was written yesterday.

Weird.

I'd chalk it up to the "echo chamber" effect. People see something they agree with (true or not) and pass it on like it's original like so many other Internet chain emails. No doubt a version of this, with names and dates changed to reflect whoever is in office, will circulate for decades to come.

quade -
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It's like if somebody read the Emancipation Proclamation tonight and then claimed it was written yesterday.

True, but it adds a bit more drama when what you've been warned about your "whole life" seems to come to fruition...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[quade 4]

Well, stop listening to Chicken Little, because the sky ain't falling.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[RonD1120 62]

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It doesn't matter...we've come to the point of no return with regard to the NWO...may God help us all.

I agree.

As I have stated before, I don't think we can stop it. We can only choose sides. As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

With a preference for killing worshipers of other gods, condemning queers to eternal damnation, and making absolutely positively sure that poor people don't get medical care on your dime? Nice lord you serve there.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

With a preference for killing worshipers of other gods, condemning queers to eternal damnation, and making absolutely positively sure that poor people don't get medical care on your dime? Nice lord you serve there.

Blues,
Dave

Sometimes you can't fix stupid, Dave.

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As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

With a preference for killing worshipers of other gods, condemning queers to eternal damnation, and making absolutely positively sure that poor people don't get medical care on your dime? Nice lord you serve there.

Blues,
Dave

Sometimes you can't fix stupid, Dave.

Come on, guys. That was out of line. Pretty well every mainstream religion condemns killing and/or does not promote killing for religious reasons. There are gay and lesbian ministers in the Christian faith and many others. And the healthcare issue is not a religious issue at all.

I have my own issues with organized religion, but this broad brush, insulting and distorting condemnation doesn't give me any faith in atheists having a good answer either.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

Good one, Sparky.

To all who are arguing about the source - it doesn't matter. It's the message that's important.

That reminds me of this quote:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

And that seems to be exactly where we are at these days - in the selfishness/complacency/apathy/dependency stage... And it's going to take a government financial collapse to change things. Until the country goes bankrupt, the citizens will continue to vote for more money for themselves. The financial crises that's happening in Europe is a portent of things to come for ourselves.

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And now we may watch another thread go off-topic and turn to shit, due to the anti-religion zealots... Nice try, Sparky. But Rome burns while the zealots spend all their time attacking each other, rather than trying to save Rome.

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As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

With a preference for killing worshipers of other gods, condemning queers to eternal damnation, and making absolutely positively sure that poor people don't get medical care on your dime? Nice lord you serve there.

Blues,
Dave

Sometimes you can't fix stupid, Dave.

Come on, guys. That was out of line. Pretty well every mainstream religion condemns killing and/or does not promote killing for religious reasons. There are gay and lesbian ministers in the Christian faith and many others. And the healthcare issue is not a religious issue at all.

I have my own issues with organized religion, but this broad brush, insulting and distorting condemnation doesn't give me any faith in atheists having a good answer either.

My brush had a rather fine point on it, specifically thinned by Ron's own statements in this forum. For example, I'd agree that most mainstream Christians would disagree with the message that Westboro Baptists espouse, and not just the methods by which they preach it. Ron? Not so much. So while it's all well and good for him to claim "serve the lord", either he has a different lord than most, or an odd way of serving him. Preferring our tax dollars go to killing Muslims than curing the sick is, well, not very Christian imho.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

With a preference for killing worshipers of other gods, condemning queers to eternal damnation, and making absolutely positively sure that poor people don't get medical care on your dime? Nice lord you serve there.

Blues,
Dave

Sometimes you can't fix stupid, Dave.

Come on, guys. That was out of line.

I guess this means that you haven't read any of Ron's posts where he espouses these.

Pity Ron ignores the Sermon on the Mount in favor of his own more aggressive and hostile version of "Christianity".

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I'd chalk it up to the "echo chamber" effect. People see something they agree with (true or not) and pass it on like it's original like so many other Internet chain emails. No doubt a version of this, with names and dates changed to reflect whoever is in office, will circulate for decades to come.

Yup. It's closer to a cellphone-numbers-are-going-public email than it is to anything resembling insight.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

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The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

That is precisely what the other 50% of the electorate think about the people who RE-elected Bush in 2004: My God, have they completely lost their minds?

And while we're at it, some of those "idiots" in 2008 were actually voting against the true idiots in the top echelon of the McCain campaign (including thge candidate himself) who had the appalling judgment that a nightmare like Sarah Palin should be a heartbeat away from the presidency to a (prospective) president in his 70's who has had cancer.

If the team you root for loses the game, you can either whine about the team that won, or you can suck it up and look where you ought to look: at the coaches of your own team.

You sure you want to dip your toe in the SC cesspool, Sparky? Cuz in the skydiving forums, you da man.

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The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

That is precisely what the other 50% of the electorate think about the people who RE-elected Bush in 2004: My God, have they completely lost their minds?

And while we're at it, some of those "idiots" in 2008 were actually voting against the true idiots in the top echelon of the McCain campaign (including thge candidate himself) who had the appalling judgment that a nightmare like Sarah Palin should be a heartbeat away from the presidency to a (prospective) president in his 70's who has had cancer.

If the team you root for loses the game, you can either whine about the team that won, or you can suck it up and look where you ought to look: at the coaches of your own team.

You sure you want to dip your toe in the SC cesspool, Sparky? Cuz in the skydiving forums, you da man.

Ooooooo

Me thinks he tweeked a nerve

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince

You mean like Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Phil Gramm, et al. ?

The Republicans who are so fond of remembering Ronald Reagan would do well to remember this: After the Reagan presidency, the voters elected another Republican. After the Bush presidency, they didn't.

You don't have to outrun the bear.

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As for me and my family, we will serve the Lord.

With a preference for killing worshipers of other gods, condemning queers to eternal damnation, and making absolutely positively sure that poor people don't get medical care on your dime? Nice lord you serve there.

Blues,
Dave

We don't do that. It is your lack of actual knowledge. You are just guessing at what you think we do. You have been doing that for several years now. Are you sheltered?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."

Consider a president who makes speeches advocating higher taxes for the wealthy, increases taxes on capital gains, gives amnesty to illegal aliens, and gets universal health care for all.

Ronald Reagan was that president.

In 1986 Regan made the capital gains rates the same as those on ordinary income resulting in a 28% rate. Barack gets 20 + 3.8% for a 23.8% total, with Regan's rate 23.8% higher.

In 1986 Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 which granted amnesty to all illegal immigrants who'd been here for about five years (arrived before January 1, 1982) regardless of age. Obama has just stopped deporting those under 30 who came to America before they turned 16 and have been here for 5 years.

In 1986 Reagan signed the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which requires virtually all hospitals in the United States to treat people regardless of their ability or willingness to pay with no remuneration from the federal government. The net effect is those of us who require medical service must cover the freeloaders regardless of our ability to pay. Obama's plan requires nearly all of us to pay something towards our own care.

I'd say that Obama is the second coming of Reagan although that would be wrong - if Reagan were reincarnated and ran against Obama he'd loose for being the more "liberal" candidate.

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>We don't do that.

If by "we" you mean other people in your family, that is no doubt true.

If by "we" you mean other very religious types that's not true at all. Historically Christians killed people by the millions for the simple sin of being a different religion. More recently some true believers have taken to picketing soldier's funerals with signs like "Thank God for dead soldiers." One such zealot recently shot and killed 77 people, mostly kids.

Hence it behooves you to be careful with how broad a brush to paint the people you dislike (atheists, liberals, Hollywood, whatever) lest you yourself be painted by it.

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Come on, guys. That was out of line.

I guess this means that you haven't read any of Ron's posts where he espouses these.

Pity Ron ignores the Sermon on the Mount in favor of his own more aggressive and hostile version of "Christianity".

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In 1986 Regan made the capital gains rates the same as those on ordinary income resulting in a 28% rate. Barack gets 20 + 3.8% for a 23.8% total, with Regan's rate 23.8% higher.

That seems less remarkable if you recall that he successfully advocated for the lowering of the higher income bracket from 70% to said 28%. So for the highest brackets, capital gains did go from 20 to 28%, or double the increase we're talking about now, but 70->28 is huge as well.

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I'd agree that most mainstream Christians would disagree with the message that Westboro Baptists espouse, and not just the methods by which they preach it. Ron? Not so much.

wtf have you actually done to encumber the purposes of westboro? I highly doubt nearly as much as Ron...

We're out their getting our hands dirty while you people sit on your ass and just bitch and moan.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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You sure you want to dip your toe in the SC cesspool, Sparky? Cuz in the skydiving forums, you da man.

Like I put in the Re: line. Someone emailed it to me and I thought others would find it “interesting” to discuss. I have no dog in this fight. I think they are both assholes.
Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

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"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

I've seen in mentioned over and over again in these forums how all great societies have collapsed from the inside. The U.S. will be the same.

Especially when we have a party promising free this and free that to everyone. I guess the "free" health care will be paid for with unicorn tears. Doctors accept unicorn tears for payment, right?

They don't think about the consequences that will come from forcing someone else to pay your bill, like employers lowering your wage or firing you or your co-worker to cover the cost. Employers are in the business to make money not loose it. As long as it doesn't effect you, or it benefits you, why should you care? Screw everyone else, until you are the one that gets fired to make up the cost.....

The liberal ideal would work if everyone pitched in, but they don't. That's not the human condition. Not every one is driven to make a better life for them selves. Most of the human population will do just enough to survive, and that is it. If they can survive without lifting a finger, they won't lift it. Sometimes you have to force them to lift it. The best way to do that is to stop giving. You stop feeding a lion in the zoo and it will eventually get hungry and do what a lion does, hunt....

That may seem cruel to some people, but that is life. Some people definitely run into hard times and need help, but we should only help those people who are willing to help them selves. The government shouldn't be handing out blank checks. People need to earn them. Whether it''s drug testing, proving that they have been job hunting, or what ever, it needs to happen. No free money for sitting on your ass.

And as a society we need to realize, some people can't be saved.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

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The liberal ideal would work if everyone pitched in, but they don't. That's not the human condition. Not every one is driven to make a better life for them selves. Most of the human population will do just enough to survive, and that is it.

Seems like liberals think of the people who can't pitch in the same, and conservatives think of those who won't.

Both sides have value, and there will never, never be a system that only gives to those who need it, and that can't be abused.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)