ACA upheld

[billvon 3,095]

>Since lifestyle choices are, by far, the biggest factor in most people's health, I don't
>think having more insured people will make much of a difference in their general
>health.

Agreed. But right now healthy people aren't getting health insurance because they figure they don't need it. (Case in point - skydiving instructors with no health problems.) Change that and overall health care costs over the pool of covered people will go down.

[JohnRich 4]

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>I look forward to receiving my first tax bill for this program, so that I can send it back,
>unpaid, with a note telling them where to stick it.

You do that!

If two people, just two people do it, the government may think they're both faggots and they'll send IRS agents to take both of them. But if three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people sending back their ObamaCare tax notices, they may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day sending back their tax notices. And friends, they may thinks it's a movement. And that's what it is, the DropZone.com Anti-ObamaCare Movement.

(Thanks , Arlo)

[headoverheels 334]

Simpsons GIFs Explain ObamaCare Ruling

http://www.buzzfeed.com/schmidtm/scotus-healthcare-ruling-as-told-by-simpsons-gifs

[Andy9o8 2]

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So since when has the president ever had the authority to create a tax????

Now they've shit on another part of our constitution.
The supremes are proving they are not concerned with constitutional law.

The president never has, nor has Obama done so. Only Congress can do that. And only Congress did so here, by means of legislation. But all presidents propose legislation to Congress all the time, and then Congress (usually after a lot of revisions) votes it either up or down. And that's what happened here (at the Congressional level).

[kallend 2,131]

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So since when has the president ever had the authority to create a tax????

Now they've shit on another part of our constitution.
The supremes are proving they are not concerned with constitutional law.

The president never has, nor has Obama done so. Only Congress can do that. And only Congress did so here, by means of legislation. But all presidents propose legislation to Congress all the time, and then Congress (usually after a lot of revisions) votes it either up or down. And that's what happened here (at the Congressional level).

It's truly amazing that so many "natural born citizens" have such a tenuous grasp of basic civics.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 883]

Given the POTUS' repeated insistence this is NOT a tax doesn't require a civics lesson.

Something which most school districts have axed as part of their budget cuts anyway. Should work well for the government actually.

[Andy9o8 2]

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>I look forward to receiving my first tax bill for this program, so that I can send it back,
>unpaid, with a note telling them where to stick it.

You do that!

If two people, just two people do it, the government may think they're both faggots and they'll send IRS agents to take both of them. But if three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people sending back their ObamaCare tax notices, they may think it's an organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day, I said fifty people a day sending back their tax notices. And friends, they may thinks it's a movement. And that's what it is, the DropZone.com Anti-ObamaCare Movement.

(Thanks , Arlo)

Ahh. Makes me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChkvlmAJHko

...which doesn't have much to do with the thread; but damn, I like Arlo & the song.

[DanG 1]

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Something which most school districts have axed as part of their budget cuts anyway.

Source?

- Dan G

[quade 4]

Rarely does one see Alro Guthrie's words twisted to suit the right wing.

Congratulations, you've dishonored him and his father.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[mnealtx 0]

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Rarely does one see Alro Guthrie's words twisted to suit the right wing.

Congratulations, you've dishonored him and his father.

Because disagreeing with gov't is only meet and just when it's against a Conservative administration?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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>Since lifestyle choices are, by far, the biggest factor in most people's health, I don't
>think having more insured people will make much of a difference in their general
>health.
Agreed. But right now healthy people aren't getting health insurance because they figure they don't need it. (Case in point - skydiving instructors with no health problems.) Change that and overall health care costs over the pool of covered people will go down.

I don't know about having more people insured will make a difference in general health. Now heavy smokers and drinkers will be covered without questions asked. Would tend to think the general covered population will be unhealthier.

[Andy9o8 2]

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Rarely does one see Alro Guthrie's words twisted to suit the right wing.

Congratulations, you've dishonored him and his father.

Speaking of his father, Woody wrote this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W-Cw1FhwTg

...although it's probably more relevant to the immigration thread. But Dylan and Baez really click here, so....

[quade 4]

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Rarely does one see Alro Guthrie's words twisted to suit the right wing.
Congratulations, you've dishonored him and his father.

Because disagreeing with gov't is only meet and just when it's against a Conservative administration?

That's not what I'm commenting on. What I'm commenting on is taking a famous quote, changing the words in it and then "thanking" the person as if the altered words were the person's original intent.

I have no issue with satire, but what JR did is intellectually dishonest.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,095]

>I don't know about having more people insured will make a difference in general health.

We were talking about costs. More people covered, who are on average healthier, will lower costs since the covered population will require less intervention on average. That's not because insurance makes people healthier, it's because healthy people are currently more often uninsured.

[billvon 3,095]

>I have no issue with satire, but what JR did is intellectually dishonest.

I thought it was funny. Maybe you could take a poll?

[Shredex 0]

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So since when has the president ever had the authority to create a tax????

Now they've shit on another part of our constitution.
The supremes are proving they are not concerned with constitutional law.

After the election of a President that failed to provide a legitimate birth certificate, and was recently discovered by an undercover agent that he was indeed, not born in the US, but born in Kenya, and nothing was even thought of it, I can honestly say that the people of America seem to not give a rats ars about the Constitution.

[normiss 883]

Here's one

“Today, at least half of the states don't even require high school students to take civics; only three states require it in middle school.”

[mnealtx 0]

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Rarely does one see Alro Guthrie's words twisted to suit the right wing.
Congratulations, you've dishonored him and his father.

Because disagreeing with gov't is only meet and just when it's against a Conservative administration?

That's not what I'm commenting on. What I'm commenting on is taking a famous quote, changing the words in it and then "thanking" the person as if the altered words were the person's original intent.

I have no issue with satire, but what JR did is intellectually dishonest.

What he did was satire...including thanking Arlo.

I think you're looking too hard for something to be offended by.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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>I have no issue with satire, but what JR did is intellectually dishonest.
I thought it was funny. Maybe you could take a poll?

And use another infamously intellectually dishonest tactic?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Andy9o8 2]

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>Since lifestyle choices are, by far, the biggest factor in most people's health, I don't
>think having more insured people will make much of a difference in their general
>health.

Agreed. But right now healthy people aren't getting health insurance because they figure they don't need it. (Case in point - skydiving instructors with no health problems.) Change that and overall health care costs over the pool of covered people will go down.

I don't know about having more people insured will make a difference in general health. Now heavy smokers and drinkers will be covered without questions asked. Would tend to think the general covered population will be unhealthier.

I'll tell you how. In the US right now, there are a hell of a lot of middle-aged, middle-class people without health insurance, largely because they're currently un- or under-employed and the family's money is very tight, or because they had pre-existing conditions like, say, a heart attack or some kind of cancer, and are now unemployed and need to buy their own insurance. Currently, the US health insurance industry deems the latter group (the ones with prior heart problems, or cancer, etc.) to be "uninsurable", and simply refuses to insure them - meaning they cannot obtain private health insurance (other than through an employer's group health plan) at any cost.

All of those people will tend not to go to the doctor for preventive care, or in response to various gnawing symptoms, and that's because they're afraid of either the cost or of establishing a (or another) pre-existing condition. The result will be higher rates of serious illness and death among that cohort than had they been insured.

[billvon 3,095]

>After the election of a President that failed to provide a legitimate birth certificate, and
>was recently discovered by an undercover agent that he was indeed, not born in the
>US, but born in Kenya . . .

. . . and was part of the WTC coverup! WTC building 7 didn't just fall down on its own, you know.

[Andy9o8 2]

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After the election of a President that failed to provide a legitimate birth certificate, and was recently discovered by an undercover agent that he was indeed, not born in the US, but born in Kenya, and nothing was even thought of it,

Head, meet foil hat.

[kallend 2,131]

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>After the election of a President that failed to provide a legitimate birth certificate, and
>was recently discovered by an undercover agent that he was indeed, not born in the
>US, but born in Kenya . . .

. . . and was part of the WTC coverup! WTC building 7 didn't just fall down on its own, you know.

And don't forget Roswell!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 883]

years ago I had taken a now ex-girlfriend to the ER for chest pains.
WITH good insurance, no EKG until $500 paid.
My ER co-pay should have been $25 for this place as it was "in plan".

In hindsight, I would prefer to not have paid it.

I know a ton of folks that do not have $500 in their pocket, and no credit card to throw at it either.

I don't see how FORCING costs like this on people with the threat of a penalty if you don't pay will work.

[Shotgun 1]

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>Since lifestyle choices are, by far, the biggest factor in most people's health, I don't
>think having more insured people will make much of a difference in their general
>health.

Agreed. But right now healthy people aren't getting health insurance because they figure they don't need it. (Case in point - skydiving instructors with no health problems.) Change that and overall health care costs over the pool of covered people will go down.

A skydiving instructor is not a very good example here. While he might be healthy, he has a higher-than-average potential for serious and costly injuries. And I'd say it's not particularly wise for him to be jumping without insurance.

Pretty much everyone I know who doesn't have health insurance, doesn't have it because they can't afford it (or maybe doesn't want to spend the money on it - like a fun jumper who "can't afford" insurance yet somehow affords to skydive) - not because they think they're too healthy to need it.