livendive 8 #51 June 28, 2012 QuoteQuotes in this morning's news from the medical community state that the medical system can't support 40 million new patients. Doctors are going to quit. Some are not taking Medicare or Medicaid patients do to payment problems now. Hospitals will suffer from increased costs and decreased funding. It will be a disaster not a benefit to the general welfare. Did you just say that 40 million more people are going to have access to healthcare that do not currently? And you'd prefer they continue to go without? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #52 June 28, 2012 Quote Quote Honestly, whats the problem with a nation taking care of its own people instead of leaving them to the mercy of corporations? I don't get it. Loss of individual freedoms due to increased gov intervention in my life Must be some nice individuality, if you're inapt to pay the bills of your medicine men. I really do enjoy my HC (incl. smaller additional insurance) - my brand new teeth were about 15k EUR. My share? 400 EUR. All for a brilliant smile And the *gov intervention*? What, where? Never seen it, really ..... Enjoy your *individual freedom*, you're free to live under a bridge, roasting some dog foot as your medicine men are driving you into ruin Your free choice, man dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weekender 0 #53 June 28, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Honestly, whats the problem with a nation taking care of its own people instead of leaving them to the mercy of corporations? I don't get it. Loss of individual freedoms due to increased gov intervention in my life Must be some nice individuality, if you're inapt to pay the bills of your medicine men. I really do enjoy my HC (incl. smaller additional insurance) - my brand new teeth were about 15k EUR. My share? 400 EUR. All for a brilliant smile And the *gov intervention*? What, where? Never seen it, really ..... Enjoy your *individual freedom*, you're free to live under a bridge, roasting some dog foot as your medicine men are driving you into ruin Your free choice, man your comparison is very simple and unfair. the US has 325mill people and growing. we have almost half not making enough money to even pay income tax. we also open our borders to people from third world nations to come and try to improve their life. If we were like Germany it wouldl be easy. But we are NOT a mostly white european closed nation. (closed to mass immigration, that is.)"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird." John Frusciante Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #54 June 28, 2012 >If your house is surrounded by hillbilly houses that burn down all the time, maybe your >premium will be higher based on risk. Agreed! And telling the insurance company "I shouldn't have to pay because that guy down the street has an unsafe house and no insurance!" will not help. >But if your house is in a stable neighborhood your premium may be just as high based >on your home's value / cost to rebuild being higher. Also agreed. And in the parallel case if you have a more valuable body that would apply as well. If you are a professional athlete, for example, and seek coverage to restore your body to guaranteed playable condition, you might find yourself paying far more for insurance. >Hell, if it passes tomorrow, I'm dropping my coverage :) I'll call them back when I >shatter my pevis or get cancer. You do that! I'm going to continue making decisions that are good for me, rather than decisions that I hope will screw someone else (or myself.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #55 June 28, 2012 >Quotes in this morning's news from the medical community state that the >medical system can't support 40 million new patients. Doctors are going to quit. Right. Because if more people wanted houses, all home builders would quit. If more people want cars, all the car manufacturers shut down. I think perhaps a review of economic theory would indicate the flaw in that rationale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 880 #56 June 28, 2012 Given the almost $3 trillion we currently spend on social programs....this could easily bankrupt many states. Maybe that's why so many sued over this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #57 June 28, 2012 QuoteGiven the almost $3 trillion we currently spend on social programs....this could easily bankrupt many states. Maybe that's why so many sued over this. And then... www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/06/25/busted-health-insurers-secretly-spent-huge-to-defeat-health-care-reform-while-pretending-to-support-obamacare/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 880 #58 June 28, 2012 While... Medicaid state Medicaid Children’s Health Insurance Program Food Stamps or Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children School Breakfast Program and School Lunch Program Summer Food Service Program for Children Child and Adult Care Food Program Emergency Food Assistance Program Commodity Supplemental Food Program Nutrition Program for the Elderly federal housing assistance Section 8 rental assistance Rural Rental Assistance Rural Housing Loans Rural Rental Housing Loans Home Investment Partnerships Community Development Block Grants Housing for Special Populations Housing Opportunities for Persons with AIDS Emergency Shelter Grants Supportive Housing program Single Room Occupancy program Shelter Plus Care program Home Ownership and Opportunity for People Everywhere Aid to Families with Dependent Children Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Earned Income Tax Credit Child Tax Credit Supplemental Security Income Low Income Energy Assistance Program Social Services Block Grant Community Services Block Grant Legal Services Corporation don't forget Social Security and Medicare! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #59 June 28, 2012 And (attached).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 880 #60 June 28, 2012 Well to be fair, we are busy giving poor familes more money than their working counterparts. Averaging over $50,000 a year just to bring them UP to poverty levels. I love government math. If you don't like the spending of the military (including increases the current administration wants!) - then move back to Europe. THAT economy is doing SOOOOO much better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #61 June 28, 2012 Quote my brand new teeth were about 15k EUR. My share? 400 EUR. All for a brilliant smile so someone other than you had to pay 14,600 EUR for your teeth - and that's a point of pride? Would it have been different if you had to go door to door with a soldier and forcibly take contributions from your neighbors for this? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #62 June 28, 2012 QuoteIf you don't like the spending of the military (including increases the current administration wants!) - then move back to Europe. THAT economy is doing SOOOOO much better. I think the US's bloated military spending is appalling and unjustified, and I don't think that disqualifies me from living here. Pumping 1/3 to 1/2 of that money back into the economy instead of pissing it away on aircraft carriers and needlessly squandering American soldiers' lives for illusory missions would greatly benefit the US economy, and it could be a major component in funding a universal health coverage like EVERY other industrialized nation in the world has - or even better. Don't drink the kool-aid. Spit out what's already been force-fed you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #63 June 28, 2012 In all fairness, buying aircraft carriers IS putting money back into the economy. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #64 June 28, 2012 QuoteIn all fairness, buying aircraft carriers IS putting money back into the economy. Burning more oil than any other organization on Earth, as the US DoD does, isn't putting money back into the economy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crunchycracker 0 #65 June 28, 2012 Don't forget about all the bad landings and jumpers without insurance. Will be covered? Something is wrong there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #66 June 28, 2012 >Burning more oil than any other organization on Earth, as the US DoD does, >isn't putting money back into the economy. Exxon isn't part of the economy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #67 June 28, 2012 QuoteIn all fairness, buying aircraft carriers IS putting money back into the economy. Agreed. Whether it's giving the money to defense contractors to design new weapons, environmental firms to improve renewable energy technologies, educators to improve the skills of the youth entering our workforce, or medical workers to take care of patients with less money in their account, the money is still being spent. The question is how we should prioritize such disparate interests. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,129 #68 June 28, 2012 Quote>Burning more oil than any other organization on Earth, as the US DoD does, >isn't putting money back into the economy. Exxon isn't part of the economy? Saudi Arabia sure isn't, and the oil could be used for other things than burning holes in the sky.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #69 June 28, 2012 QuoteQuote You're more concerned about a minority of people on the other side of the world than you are about people stealing from your own pocket??? That really does seem like a strange priority. Both are major issues of concern to be sure. However, murderers concern me more than thieves. That would make sense but its not what you said is it, 'I am more concerned about fundamentalist Muslim terrorists around the world than...' If you're worried about murderers then I'd have thought that the ones in your own neighbourhood and back yard would be more of a concern. http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/14/mexico-4-headless-bodies-is-third-massacre-in-ten-days-in-triangle-death/When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,092 #70 June 28, 2012 >Saudi Arabia sure isn't No, but Exxon is - and we only get 5.8% of our oil from Saudi Arabia. >and the oil could be used for other things than burning holes in the sky. True. So could all the money and materials going to build Xboxes, and kid's toys, and big screen TV's, and football stadiums, and malls, and SUV's, and disposable diapers. But that IS our economy right there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #71 June 28, 2012 Quote Quote my brand new teeth were about 15k EUR. My share? 400 EUR. All for a brilliant smile so someone other than you had to pay 14,600 EUR for your teeth - and that's a point of pride? Would it have been different if you had to go door to door with a soldier and forcibly take contributions from your neighbors for this? Dear, you did not/do not understand our social HC system: Since first Dollar I earned, I paid a certain percentage from my income for HC. Every month. And now, as I need wonderful new brilliant bright white teeth: HC pays (excl. a small amount, which is my share). I still love skydiving, even I had a few *accidents*: In 2001, shoulder operation, 9 months not working: My HC paid a certain amount every months to me until I was coming back into work. And of course, all medical treatment was fully paid. In 2004, jumping out of a Pink Skyvan, shit landing into trees: broke my leg, nothing special, but: My HC paid the transport of about 800 km from DZ to my home town to my local hospital, all had been covered, all had been paid until I was able to go to work again. My share for transport back to my home town: 10 EUR. And thus, mon vieux, is what WE ALL are doing here. No matter how much you earn, you pay same percantage into HC every month. So, no one was paying for my new brilliant white teeth - and my broken leg. It was myself. As I paid since years, what I consider absolutely normal. Perhaps, you guys should re-consider your "spirit of freedom*. Of course, the more I earn, the higher is the amount I have to pay into HC (percentage is the same for everyone). But, we do not complain - it's fair for us. To get HC for everyone here does not need an armed soldier, rehmwa. It just needs fair and balanced rules. And government? Where is it? I go to hospital, send medical invoices to my HC company - and that's all. I love it dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #72 June 28, 2012 +1 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 880 #73 June 28, 2012 Beware. Current administration wants a pretty serious increase in defense spending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #74 June 28, 2012 Quote>Quotes in this morning's news from the medical community state that the >medical system can't support 40 million new patients. Doctors are going to quit. Right. Because if more people wanted houses, all home builders would quit. If more people want cars, all the car manufacturers shut down. I think perhaps a review of economic theory would indicate the flaw in that rationale. "Because if fed.gov stated that all houses must be a minimum of 2000 square feet and 4 bedrooms/2 baths and they must sell for 10k, home builders wouldn't be able to afford to build them." There - now the analogy actually reflects what he said and not what you imagined.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #75 June 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteIn all fairness, buying aircraft carriers IS putting money back into the economy. Burning more oil than any other organization on Earth, as the US DoD does, isn't putting money back into the economy. Sure it does - the fuel isn't free.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
