Proof evolution is a fraud

[kallend 2,147]

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The only thing I wonder about is if the object of your faith can deliver the goods.

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Religion has a couple of cheap but still useful tricks up it's sleeve, that I still utilize, that's all.

Like what?

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The object of my "faith" is in most cases some variation of the placebo-effect. Research shows that it works, and I use it all the time on things like head-aches.

So how does this work exactly? Do you just eat an unconsecrated host like a sugar pill?

What is the success rate of your placebo given that you are actually aware or believe it's just a "sugar pill?"

Medical fact: placebo effect still works on many people even when they are told. I suspect the religious are like this.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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[Coreece 190]

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Medical fact: placebo effect still works on many people even when they are told.

That wasn't my question, was it?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[maadmax 0]

Medical fact: placebo effect still works on many people even when they are told. I suspect the religious are like this.

[kallend 2,147]

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Medical fact: placebo effect still works on many people even when they are told.

That wasn't my question, was it?

It's not ALL about you.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,147]

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Medical fact: placebo effect still works on many people even when they are told. I suspect the religious are like this.

True, the placebo effect can produce an impressive 20-30% response. Kind of demonstrates how we are hard wired to believe in something outside of ourselves.

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[Coreece 190]

Well you were late to the party...Marinus already disclosed your little factoid.

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[rehmwa 2]

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It demonstrates something about human gullibility, yes.

it demonstrates the power of the human mind over our physiology

placebo - or just a tool of self control - meditation - yoga - Biofeedback techniques - you seem to care what they "call" it

"biofeedback" vs "faith healing" - even if the exact same physiological processed - I find it amusing that it's admirable if a child survives a deadly disease by one, but he's a moron if he survives by the other and should have died

results matter - a rose by any other name

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[winsor 236]

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Medical fact: placebo effect still works on many people even when they are told. I suspect the religious are like this.

True, the placebo effect can produce an impressive 20-30% response. Kind of demonstrates how we are hard wired to believe in something outside of ourselves. Nice thing about belief in God, He is 100%.

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[maadmax 0]

Wow, since you said it on the Internet, it has to be the truth.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Wow, since you said it on the Internet, it has to be the truth.

False, you need a YouTube video before it becomes Truth.

[billvon 3,111]

>Nice thing about belief in God, He is 100%.

I think people like the IRA, the Orange Volunteers, Anders Breivik, the Lord's Resistance Army, the Ku Klux Klan and the Salem Witch trial prosecutors demonstrate that a belief in God is not a 100% guarantee of anything.

[rehmwa 2]

100% - get enough people that feel strongly about something, anything, and enough weirdos will collect and organize into something stupid. And someone power hungry will exploit them

be it religion, political enthusiasm, enviromentalism, profits, sports, scrapbooking (recall the huge paper cut massacre in NY last spring), etc etc etc

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[winsor 236]

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Wow, since you said it on the Internet, it has to be the truth.

False, you need a YouTube video before it becomes Truth.

[jclalor 12]

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Nice thing about belief in God, He is 100%.

Any God in particular your talking about? I always liked this quote:

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When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

[maadmax 0]

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>Nice thing about belief in God, He is 100%.

I think people like the IRA, the Orange Volunteers, Anders Breivik, the Lord's Resistance Army, the Ku Klux Klan and the Salem Witch trial prosecutors demonstrate that a belief in God is not a 100% guarantee of anything.

The 100% guarantee only applies when God's reality is the framework of one's life. Those who claim to know God but do evil are not of God. Actions speak louder than words. The guarantee is that all things work together for good in the lives of those who love God.

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[billvon 3,111]

>The 100% guarantee only applies when God's reality is the framework of one's life.

For the IRA God was absolutely the framework of their lives - and they were willing to kill to keep that framework. Heck, the Salem witch trials killed witches in the name of God.

>Those who claim to know God but do evil are not of God.

And those IRA people would say "those who claim to know God but are not willing to sacrifice themselves or others for God - do not know God." And both are just as correct.

[maadmax 0]

Any God in particular your talking about? I always liked this quote:


When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

[maadmax 0]

For the IRA God was absolutely the framework of their lives - and they were willing to kill to keep that framework. Heck, the Salem witch trials killed witches in the name of God.

And those IRA people would say "those who claim to know God but are not willing to sacrifice themselves or others for God - do not know God." And both are just as correct.

[Zenister 0]

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Any God in particular your talking about? I always liked this quote:


When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

That is for you to figure out. For me it is the God of the Hebrew prophets and the one recently illuminated through the life of Jesus Christ.


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[maadmax 0]

Pick a card, any card. One is just as good as another as long as you believe in it....

[Remster 30]

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We will all know soon enough

Or there is simply nothing to know.

Remster

[Marinus 0]

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So how does this work exactly?

Bring yourself into a susceptible state, implant a suggestion, choose to believe the suggestion. The term self-hypnosis probably covers most of it.

[Marinus 0]

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"biofeedback" vs "faith healing" - even if the exact same physiological processed - I find it amusing that it's admirable if a child survives a deadly disease by one, but he's a moron if he survives by the other and should have died

Yeah, well, the mind over matter techniques don't work that well (or to be more precise, don't work at all) on things like cancer. In of serious afflictions instead of the cheap tricks, I would advise the better tricks science offers. Usually the things that can be solved by mind over matter techniques, aren't really worth to sacrifice your rationality over, so get them religion-free if you can.

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True, the placebo effect can produce an impressive 20-30% response. Kind of demonstrates how we are hard wired to believe in something outside of ourselves.

I think it kind of demonstrates the all around gullibility of most humans, how easy they are to manipulate, and how badly most look for someone to follow rather than take the lead.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

You might be right, but I wouldn't bet on it. We will all know soon enough.


"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,"
I Timothy 2:5