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Well, it's nice to know you admit evolution is all made up and that we were designed by an intelligent creator. You even admit it in a different forum.

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Agreed. In general you're going to be better off with the load centered over your spine as much as possible. That's the way your neck is designed to handle loads.






No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke.
But I couldn't resist.:P
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>Some time back I watched a documentary about the KKK on the History Channel.
>They didn't start out evil.

True. Neither did Al Qaeda or their parent organization, the Mujahideen. They started out as an organization to protect their followers from Western (and Soviet) aggression and preserve morality in their countries. I can imagine what you could put in kid's textbooks:

"Al Qaeda in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and the foreign aggressors ... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with poppy farmers and women's groups."



Does this mean you are opposed to teaching truth?
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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>Hey, I've been on this planet for 41 years, and I ain't never seen no fish grow any
>feet. What more proof do we need?

If we evolved from apes - why are there still apes?



God wanted to give humans an out.
We can blame all the stupid shit being done on the "them", you know...the 'other' guys.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Why wouldn't I read it?


Because you value your ignorance.

:S:S:S

Glory be to God and all his minions!!!!
Babin is the road to enlightenent!!!!
All bow down to the new God of the Universe!!!
Preach to me!


:D:D
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke.
But I couldn't resist.:P



Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Why wouldn't I read it?


Because you value your ignorance.

:S:S:S

Glory be to God and all his minions!!!!
Babin is the road to enlightenent!!!!
All bow down to the new God of the Universe!!!
Preach to me!


:D:D


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No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke.
But I couldn't resist.:P



Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV.


Male bower birds design nice displays to attract mates. Other than that we have no evidence AT ALL of deliberate design except by humans and some apes.
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No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke.
But I couldn't resist.:P



Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV.


Not "couldn't", didn't.

I don't see any indication that there was anything more than random chance and natual selection in the evolutionary process that has resutled in the species we have on earth today.
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"The first KKK was an movement of white Southerners who opposed Reconstruction in the late 1860s, inflicting violence against black leaders and white Republicans.



And that's what you think is a good thing?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?



Just one? You really do believe in setting the bar low, don't you?


(And if I was going to set up a sockpuppet account I wouldn't use my own name. Duh:P)
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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if I was going to set up a sockpuppet acount I wouldn't use my own name. Duh:P



Maybe that's just what you want us to think...:P

Perhaps I've been playing too much poker lately, eh?
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>Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else
>can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV.

Seen some pretty intricate dams, nests and paintings that had nothing to do with humans. Heck, I've even seen some perfect crystals, and looked at dozens of unique (and perfect) snowflakes - all created with no intelligence whatsoever.

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>Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which
>can be seen to increase the information in the genome?


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The birth of new genes by RNA- and DNA-mediated duplication during mammalian evolution.
Jun J, Ryvkin P, Hemphill E, Mandoiu I, Nelson C.

Gene duplication has long been recognized as a major force in genome evolution and has recently been recognized as an important source of individual variation. For many years, the origin of functional gene duplicates was assumed to be whole or partial genome duplication events, but recently retrotransposition has also been shown to contribute new functional protein coding genes and siRNA's. In this study, we utilize pseudogenes to recreate more complete gene family histories, and compare the rates of RNA and DNA-mediated duplication and new functional gene formation in five mammalian genomes. We find that RNA-mediated duplication occurs at a much higher and more variable rate than DNA-mediated duplication, and gives rise to many more duplicated sequences over time. We show that, while the chance of RNA-mediated duplicates becoming functional is much lower than that of their DNA-mediated counterparts, the higher rate of retrotransposition leads to nearly equal contributions of new genes by each mechanism. We also find that functional RNA-mediated duplicates are closer to neighboring genes than non-functional RNA-mediated copies, consistent with co-option of regulatory elements at the site of insertion. Overall, new genes derived from DNA and RNA-mediated duplication mechanisms are under similar levels of purifying selective pressure, but have broadly different functions. RNA-mediated duplication gives rise to a diversity of genes but is dominated by the highly expressed genes of RNA metabolic pathways. DNA-mediated duplication can copy regulatory material along with the protein coding region of the gene and often gives rise to classes of genes whose function are dependent on complex regulatory information. This mechanistic difference may in part explain why we find that mammalian protein families tend to evolve by either one mechanism or the other, but rarely by both.
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>If we came from monkeys, then why don't we see us inbetween monkeys and human?

Here are the "inbetween" primate to human fossils we have found so far:

Sahelanthropus tchadensis
Ardipithecus ramidus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus afarensis
Kenyanthropus platyops
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Australopithecus aethiopicus
Australopithecus robustus
Australopithecus boisei
Homo habilis
Homo georgicus
Homo erectus
Homo ergaster
Homo antecessor
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo neanderthalensis
Homo floresiensis
Homo sapiens

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I'm an evolutionist,



No you're not.

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but I do have my questions



Ooh, I bet these'll be original:)
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If its true,



It is.

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then why haven't we found the "inbetween phases".



We have.

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If we came from monkeys, then why don't we see us inbetween monkeys and human?



We didn't evolve from currently existing apes (monkeys are different again), we evolved from a common ancestor that no longer exists, the same ancestor that modern great apes evolved from. We have the fossils of many extinct stages of that evolution.

What exact inbetween phase are you looking for?

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Why don't we find inbetween dinosours and the single celled organisms?



We do. They're called plants. And fish. And amphibians.

Again, what exact inbetween phase are you looking for? A bacteria with a T-Rex's head? An amoeba with claws?

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Which has brought me to theorize that maybe, everything grew from 1 single celled organism, that just so happened to carry the genetic code for all the different species. So, there was no inbetween, and that everything just grew kinda like a baby to there current states.



Buh?

And no.

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I don't know



Agreed.

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Touchy subject.



Not really.

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But after learning about quantum mechanics



Don't be so sure about that.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Male bower birds design nice displays to attract mates. Other than that we have no evidence AT ALL of deliberate design except by humans and some apes.


And how do you know bower bird designs appear attractive to potential mates?
Maybe the mates have a good sense of humor and pick the ugly and silly ones.

Oh...they CHOOSE to fail so you're glad to provide the F.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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I'm an evolutionist, but I do have my questions...like:

If its true, then why haven't we found the "inbetween phases".



You're seriously fucking around with us; aren't you?

"In-between phases" Exactly how many and how much granularity would it take to convince you because let me assure you it's all there.
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