piisfish 140 #51 June 28, 2012 Quote Hey, I've been on this planet for 41 years, and I ain't never seen no fish grow any feet. What more proof do we need? oh yeah ? that's because we haven't met yet scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #52 June 28, 2012 Quote Quote Hey, I've been on this planet for 41 years, and I ain't never seen no fish grow any feet. What more proof do we need? oh yeah ? that's because we haven't met yet Its a trap, Keely... Step away!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #53 June 28, 2012 Well, it's nice to know you admit evolution is all made up and that we were designed by an intelligent creator. You even admit it in a different forum. Quote Agreed. In general you're going to be better off with the load centered over your spine as much as possible. That's the way your neck is designed to handle loads. No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke. But I couldn't resist."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #54 June 30, 2012 Quote>Some time back I watched a documentary about the KKK on the History Channel. >They didn't start out evil. True. Neither did Al Qaeda or their parent organization, the Mujahideen. They started out as an organization to protect their followers from Western (and Soviet) aggression and preserve morality in their countries. I can imagine what you could put in kid's textbooks: "Al Qaeda in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and the foreign aggressors ... In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with poppy farmers and women's groups." Does this mean you are opposed to teaching truth?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #55 June 30, 2012 Quote>Hey, I've been on this planet for 41 years, and I ain't never seen no fish grow any >feet. What more proof do we need? If we evolved from apes - why are there still apes? God wanted to give humans an out. We can blame all the stupid shit being done on the "them", you know...the 'other' guys.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #56 June 30, 2012 Quote Quote Why wouldn't I read it? Because you value your ignorance. Glory be to God and all his minions!!!! Babin is the road to enlightenent!!!! All bow down to the new God of the Universe!!! Preach to me! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #57 June 30, 2012 Quote No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke. But I couldn't resist. Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #58 June 30, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Why wouldn't I read it? Because you value your ignorance. Glory be to God and all his minions!!!! Babin is the road to enlightenent!!!! All bow down to the new God of the Universe!!! Preach to me! All hail the great Babini!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #59 June 30, 2012 Quote Quote No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke. But I couldn't resist. Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV. Male bower birds design nice displays to attract mates. Other than that we have no evidence AT ALL of deliberate design except by humans and some apes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #60 June 30, 2012 Feh. Nothing can exist without a designer. I've been to http://creationmuseum.org/ and they answered any question anyone may have. SPOILER ALERT.....If you do not agree. You will pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yourmomma 0 #61 June 30, 2012 I'm sorry Billvon. I ment they will have to pay for Chips using TTL because the science of which way the holes flow is not settled. As a result they must submit the fact that i am right, and it sucks to die full of diffusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #62 June 30, 2012 Quote Quote No, I'm not serious. ID is a joke. But I couldn't resist. Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV. Not "couldn't", didn't. I don't see any indication that there was anything more than random chance and natual selection in the evolutionary process that has resutled in the species we have on earth today."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #63 June 30, 2012 QuoteThis is from Conservapedia, a more trusted internet resource. Holy crap, you're Stephen Colbert! It all makes sense now.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #64 June 30, 2012 Quote"The first KKK was an movement of white Southerners who opposed Reconstruction in the late 1860s, inflicting violence against black leaders and white Republicans. And that's what you think is a good thing?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #65 June 30, 2012 Quote Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome? Just one? You really do believe in setting the bar low, don't you? (And if I was going to set up a sockpuppet account I wouldn't use my own name. Duh)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #66 June 30, 2012 Quote Feh. Nothing can exist without a designer. I've been to http://creationmuseum.org/ and they answered any question anyone may have. SPOILER ALERT.....If you do not agree. You will pay. Good one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #67 June 30, 2012 Quote if I was going to set up a sockpuppet acount I wouldn't use my own name. Duh Maybe that's just what you want us to think...Perhaps I've been playing too much poker lately, eh?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #68 June 30, 2012 >Does this mean you are opposed to teaching truth? Yes, and I am opposed to apple pie, puppies and happiness as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #69 June 30, 2012 >Yet, man, with all HIS intelligence can design something but nobody else >can.....hmmmmm....interesting POV. Seen some pretty intricate dams, nests and paintings that had nothing to do with humans. Heck, I've even seen some perfect crystals, and looked at dozens of unique (and perfect) snowflakes - all created with no intelligence whatsoever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #70 June 30, 2012 >Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which >can be seen to increase the information in the genome? ===================== The birth of new genes by RNA- and DNA-mediated duplication during mammalian evolution. Jun J, Ryvkin P, Hemphill E, Mandoiu I, Nelson C. Gene duplication has long been recognized as a major force in genome evolution and has recently been recognized as an important source of individual variation. For many years, the origin of functional gene duplicates was assumed to be whole or partial genome duplication events, but recently retrotransposition has also been shown to contribute new functional protein coding genes and siRNA's. In this study, we utilize pseudogenes to recreate more complete gene family histories, and compare the rates of RNA and DNA-mediated duplication and new functional gene formation in five mammalian genomes. We find that RNA-mediated duplication occurs at a much higher and more variable rate than DNA-mediated duplication, and gives rise to many more duplicated sequences over time. We show that, while the chance of RNA-mediated duplicates becoming functional is much lower than that of their DNA-mediated counterparts, the higher rate of retrotransposition leads to nearly equal contributions of new genes by each mechanism. We also find that functional RNA-mediated duplicates are closer to neighboring genes than non-functional RNA-mediated copies, consistent with co-option of regulatory elements at the site of insertion. Overall, new genes derived from DNA and RNA-mediated duplication mechanisms are under similar levels of purifying selective pressure, but have broadly different functions. RNA-mediated duplication gives rise to a diversity of genes but is dominated by the highly expressed genes of RNA metabolic pathways. DNA-mediated duplication can copy regulatory material along with the protein coding region of the gene and often gives rise to classes of genes whose function are dependent on complex regulatory information. This mechanistic difference may in part explain why we find that mammalian protein families tend to evolve by either one mechanism or the other, but rarely by both. ======================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shredex 0 #71 June 30, 2012 Move along, nothing to see here! Brain fart to the max! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #72 June 30, 2012 >If we came from monkeys, then why don't we see us inbetween monkeys and human? Here are the "inbetween" primate to human fossils we have found so far: Sahelanthropus tchadensis Ardipithecus ramidus Australopithecus anamensis Australopithecus afarensis Kenyanthropus platyops Australopithecus africanus Australopithecus garhi Australopithecus aethiopicus Australopithecus robustus Australopithecus boisei Homo habilis Homo georgicus Homo erectus Homo ergaster Homo antecessor Homo heidelbergensis Homo neanderthalensis Homo floresiensis Homo sapiens Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #73 June 30, 2012 Quote I'm an evolutionist, No you're not. Quote but I do have my questions Ooh, I bet these'll be original Quote If its true, It is. Quote then why haven't we found the "inbetween phases". We have. Quote If we came from monkeys, then why don't we see us inbetween monkeys and human? We didn't evolve from currently existing apes (monkeys are different again), we evolved from a common ancestor that no longer exists, the same ancestor that modern great apes evolved from. We have the fossils of many extinct stages of that evolution. What exact inbetween phase are you looking for? Quote Why don't we find inbetween dinosours and the single celled organisms? We do. They're called plants. And fish. And amphibians. Again, what exact inbetween phase are you looking for? A bacteria with a T-Rex's head? An amoeba with claws? Quote Which has brought me to theorize that maybe, everything grew from 1 single celled organism, that just so happened to carry the genetic code for all the different species. So, there was no inbetween, and that everything just grew kinda like a baby to there current states. Buh? And no. Quote I don't know Agreed. Quote Touchy subject. Not really. Quote But after learning about quantum mechanics Don't be so sure about that.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #74 June 30, 2012 QuoteMale bower birds design nice displays to attract mates. Other than that we have no evidence AT ALL of deliberate design except by humans and some apes. And how do you know bower bird designs appear attractive to potential mates? Maybe the mates have a good sense of humor and pick the ugly and silly ones. Oh...they CHOOSE to fail so you're glad to provide the F.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #75 June 30, 2012 QuoteI'm an evolutionist, but I do have my questions...like: If its true, then why haven't we found the "inbetween phases". You're seriously fucking around with us; aren't you? "In-between phases" Exactly how many and how much granularity would it take to convince you because let me assure you it's all there.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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