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rushmc 23
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It's that Condors eat carrion that has lead pellets in it, and the lead accumulates because it isn't expelled from their system. Neither do they spit out the lead pellets like you do.
Which we now know, through scientific study, is not happening
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Incorrect.
Cool
Do you know the date when the ban will be in place then?
Oh wait
The researches got their own data shoved up their asses and lost
Their lie and data manipulation was exosed and even the CA fish and game had to reject their claim
Shameful
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
steve1 5
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The issue isn't that you are poisoning the pheasants that you shoot. It isn't lead poisoning that kills them, you know.
It's that Condors eat carrion that has lead pellets in it, and the lead accumulates because it isn't expelled from their system. Neither do they spit out the lead pellets like you do.
I think the issue is that many people think that lead is an evil thing, and that it is causing trouble everywhere. I've never seen a California Condor in Montana. I don't think they migrate here.
Lead can cause problems with waterfoul. That is why hunters can's use lead for ducks and geese in Montana.
So, my point is that lead bullets and shot are not causing problems in most states. It is being monitored carefully by Fish and Game professionals who care about the future of wildlife.
kallend 2,182
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Shameful
Indeed.
Just last week:
www.azfamily.com/news/Condors-being-poisoned-by-lead-ammunition-168854036.html
www.thespectrum.com/article/20120901/NEWS/309010005/Lead-poisoning-still-threatening-endangered-condor-population?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFront&nclick_check=1
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuotePut down the shovel and back away
not sure why you're laughing. You asserted a claim you heard second hand from the NRA, but have produced no citation to support it. That's hardly compelling.
The NRA may fight for the rights of Americans, but it has a pretty lousy history with trumpeting of data. I trust them no more than I would Kellerman.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuotePut down the shovel and back away
not sure why you're laughing. You asserted a claim you heard second hand from the NRA, but have produced no citation to support it. That's hardly compelling.
The NRA may fight for the rights of Americans, but it has a pretty lousy history with trumpeting of data. I trust them no more than I would Kellerman.
I cited the results
The NRA made a presentation based on the data gathered and provided by those who supported a ban
They won over enviro radicals that bent data to support their case regardless of any validity or not.
Same thing happened here in Iowa but it was not the NRA providing more solid science
I am for good science
Is more needed?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteQuote
not sure why you're laughing. You asserted a claim you heard second hand from the NRA, but have produced no citation to support it. That's hardly compelling.
The NRA may fight for the rights of Americans, but it has a pretty lousy history with trumpeting of data. I trust them no more than I would Kellerman.
I cited the results
The NRA made a presentation based on the data gathered and provided by those who supported a ban
They won over enviro radicals that bent data to support their case regardless of any validity or not.
Same thing happened here in Iowa but it was not the NRA providing more solid science
I am for good science
Is more needed?
Yes...anything would be an improvement on a third hand story that could be bullshit two times over. You can't even post an NRA link...and sadly if you did, it's highly unlikely it would include actual citations.
how can Kallend possible counter this argument of your's when it has as much foundation as the existence of the Tooth Fairy? I suppose it's fun to twig him with this lack of evidence as if it counts...but it's intellectually lacking.
rushmc 23
So lazy huh./....
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/09/03/california-commission-rejects-proposed-expansion-of-lead-ammo-ban/#axzz267Ku9Lzf
youtube link to the presentation of the NRA
Much MUCH more if you want to do your own searchs
Bottom line
CA did NOT extend the ban lead
All that is needed
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/09/03/california-commission-rejects-proposed-expansion-of-lead-ammo-ban/#axzz267Ku9Lzf
youtube link to the presentation of the NRA
Much MUCH more if you want to do your own searchs
Bottom line
CA did NOT extend the ban lead
All that is needed
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,182
QuoteSo lazy huh./....
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/09/03/california-commission-rejects-proposed-expansion-of-lead-ammo-ban/#axzz267Ku9Lzf
youtube link to the presentation of the NRA
Much MUCH more if you want to do your own searchs
Bottom line
CA did NOT extend the ban lead
All that is needed
Jeez - do you even read your own links? The ban still exists. All that happened is that it wasn't extended.
And still all you rely on is an NRA press release. That's like believing Ryan's RNC speech.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteSo lazy huh./....
I'm the lazy one? You're the one too lazy to support your own argument until repeatedly called on it. You're no newb here- you know the burden falls on the person making up shit. But you also knew that an NRA-ILA press release at a website called Ammoland with no citations other than a yahootube video wasn't going to be taken seriously. And worse, you misrepresented it as a reversal of the ban when in reality the state game board's action was not to extend it to a larger geographic region. This isn't the first time for you, which is another reason why your claims get scrutinized.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteSo lazy huh./....
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/09/03/california-commission-rejects-proposed-expansion-of-lead-ammo-ban/#axzz267Ku9Lzf
youtube link to the presentation of the NRA
Much MUCH more if you want to do your own searchs
Bottom line
CA did NOT extend the ban lead
All that is needed
Jeez - do you even read your own links? The ban still exists. All that happened is that it wasn't extended.
And still all you rely on is an NRA press release. That's like believing Ryan's RNC speech.
Ah
now you are squirming
You posted the OP
And you know this thread is about expanding the ban
Fact
The ban was not extended based on presentations by the NRA and others for one of two reasons
The first one being the CA fish and game was so gullible that the NRA snowed them with bs or
The NRA and other presented a compelling case that shows the extending the ban would be in-effective at best
Which to you think it was?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteSo lazy huh./....
I'm the lazy one? You're the one too lazy to support your own argument until repeatedly called on it. You're no newb here- you know the burden falls on the person making up shit. But you also knew that an NRA-ILA press release at a website called Ammoland with no citations other than a yahootube video wasn't going to be taken seriously. And worse, you misrepresented it as a reversal of the ban when in reality the state game board's action was not to extend it to a larger geographic region. This isn't the first time for you, which is another reason why your claims get scrutinized.
To take you seriously you need to call out others here
As soon as you get billvon to do it the credibility will rise
In the mean time, I linked the youtube presentation
More is available on line should you take the time to look
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,182
www.sacbee.com/2012/08/28/4766005/lead-ammunition-still-hampers.html
"Over the past five years, the total number of condors in Arizona and Utah increased by 16 while another 41 captive birds were released into the Southwest population.
"Ten chicks were hatched in the wild, but seven died or went missing as did 24 adults. Five of the birds were returned to captivity.
"Among the deaths, lead poisoning was the top killer."
"Over the past five years, the total number of condors in Arizona and Utah increased by 16 while another 41 captive birds were released into the Southwest population.
"Ten chicks were hatched in the wild, but seven died or went missing as did 24 adults. Five of the birds were returned to captivity.
"Among the deaths, lead poisoning was the top killer."
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
Was the ban extended?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,182
QuoteWas the ban extended?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteWas the ban extended?
Was the ban rescinded? NO, IT REMAINS IN PLACE.
Your OP was about expanding it
Now look at you
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,182
Thread title: Lead poisoning killing California condors.
Statement is true. Links provided. Ban on lead shot still in place.
Statement is true. Links provided. Ban on lead shot still in place.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rushmc 23
QuoteThread title: Lead poisoning killing California condors.
Statement is true. Links provided. Ban on lead shot still in place.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
DanG 1
QuoteTo take you seriously you need to call out others here
As soon as you get billvon to do it the credibility will rise
kelpdiver is one of the most rabidly pro-gun posters here. He's not calling you out because of his politics. He's calling you out because he, like me, is tired of the pro-gun side looking like a bunch of fanatic, fact-fearing zealots instead of reasonable, well-informed citizens.
If he'll excuse my putting thought bubbles above his head.
- Dan G
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteTo take you seriously you need to call out others here
As soon as you get billvon to do it the credibility will rise
kelpdiver is one of the most rabidly pro-gun posters here. He's not calling you out because of his politics. He's calling you out because he, like me, is tired of the pro-gun side looking like a bunch of fanatic, fact-fearing zealots instead of reasonable, well-informed citizens.
If he'll excuse my putting thought bubbles above his head.
I know all of what you posted here
And to me this thread has nothing to do with guns
It about enviro wackos more than gun banners who are now attacking ammo to further their agenda
I posted segments and links
The end result of all of this is the lead ban was NOT expanded
The data used was that gathered by the anti lead group
It was shown that this group cherry picked their own data (IE: the lied) to push a bogus agenda
Now kallend spins in another direction
Again
No ban expansion
Why?
No good scientific reason to do so
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteQuoteTo take you seriously you need to call out others here
As soon as you get billvon to do it the credibility will rise
kelpdiver is one of the most rabidly pro-gun posters here. He's not calling you out because of his politics. He's calling you out because he, like me, is tired of the pro-gun side looking like a bunch of fanatic, fact-fearing zealots instead of reasonable, well-informed citizens.
If he'll excuse my putting thought bubbles above his head.
we can quibble about rabidity, but if rush doesn't think I call others out for bad foundations, he needs to take off those selective reading glasses. I'm interested in fact based debate.
Which we now know, through scientific study, is not happening
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Incorrect.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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