Deniers getting pretty desperate

[lawrocket 3]

You're on the right track. But [I]atmospheric warming conditions with an El Nino occur not while it is forming. The El Nino is the area of the Pacific Ocean absorbing the heat energy. It is when the El Nino is dissipating that the stored heat energy is released into the atmosphere, which pick up the temperatures.

Thus, the El Nino that peaked in 97 caused a helluva 1998. Strong El Nino means hot atmosphere to follow.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

So far this year, there have been 15,055 record highs, but only 1,343 record lows in the USA. That's a ratio of 11:1

Feeling warm?

Here's this website
[Url]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/[/url]

Year to Date: Jan 1 - Jun 23, 2013
Record high - 5,899
High minimum - 7,886
Low max - 9,328
Low min - 7,349

And let's take a look at how 2012's weather year-to-date turned out for record temps
(Oddly, this data doesn't match the data that kallend cited for last year - I'm a couple weeks early and there were more highs and lows on both sides. But not 11:1. Why's the data keep on changing and changing and changing?)
Last Year to Date Jan 1 - Jun 23, 2012:
High max - 20,025
High min - 17,530
Low max - 3,205
Low min - 2,104


This year's weather in the US is dramatically different from last year's. 13,785 record highs compared to 16,677 record lows. And in this cold year-to-date we've had 5,970 record snows compared to last year's 2,653 record snows to date. And about 750 more days of record percipitation this year (though not as significant, statistically).

Feel cold?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[popsjumper 2]

I'm packin' a beaver coat and my speedos.
I'm ready either way.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[rushmc 23]

lawrocket

*** So far this year, there have been 15,055 record highs, but only 1,343 record lows in the USA. That's a ratio of 11:1

Feeling warm?

Here's this website
[Url]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/[/url]

Year to Date: Jan 1 - Jun 23, 2013
Record high - 5,899
High minimum - 7,886
Low max - 9,328
Low min - 7,349

And let's take a look at how 2012's weather year-to-date turned out for record temps
(Oddly, this data doesn't match the data that kallend cited for last year - I'm a couple weeks early and there were more highs and lows on both sides. But not 11:1. Why's the data keep on changing and changing and changing?)
Last Year to Date Jan 1 - Jun 23, 2012:
High max - 20,025
High min - 17,530
Low max - 3,205
Low min - 2,104


This year's weather in the US is dramatically different from last year's. 13,785 record highs compared to 16,677 record lows. And in this cold year-to-date we've had 5,970 record snows compared to last year's 2,653 record snows to date. And about 750 more days of record percipitation this year (though not as significant, statistically).

Feel cold?

I came across this looking for some info for another reply

Now, I know this brings the CFC and ozone issue to the front but, I thought is was interesting the confidense levels tieing ozone to global temps

I am not infering anything

This is just another example of the complexity of climate that is yet to be understood

Also, as I looked I was a bit taken back by the fact the ozone is destroyed by cold temps

Hmmm

seems like a planet wide temp regulator to me


http://antigreen.blogspot.com/2013/06/cfcs-are-real-culprit-in-global-warming.html

Yes, I know this is a denier web site

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

Uh oh! GOPer claims record temperatures in Texas. Deniers - attack!

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Perry Renews Declaration Of Drought Disaster Throughout Texas

By Jeff Spross on Jun 23, 2013 at 10:41 am

(Credit: AP photo)
Rick Perry, the Republican Governor of Texas and one of the country’s most prominent and outspoken climate change deniers, renewed a proclamation this past week declaring a drought emergency in over 200 counties throughout the state. The original declaration came on July 5, 2011. It suspended “all rules and regulations that may inhibit or prevent prompt response to this threat” as long as the disaster declaration remained in effect, and authorized “all necessary measures” to assist in responding.

“Record high temperatures, preceded by significantly low rainfall, have resulted in declining reservoir and aquifer levels, threatening water supplies and delivery systems in many parts of the state,” the proclamation states. “Prolonged dry conditions continue to increase the threat of wildfire across many portions of the state; and… these drought conditions have reached historic levels and continue to pose an imminent threat to public health, property and the economy.”

What’s striking about this frank admission of the way extreme weather is ravaging Texas is that it stands alongside Perry’s ongoing dogged refusal — backed by many of the state’s other Republicans — to acknowledge the science that links these weather shifts to climate change and human-driven global warming.

In the last few years, Perry has called the data on Global warming “doctored,” claimed the “so-called science” has been “hijacked by the political left,” and said “it’s all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight.”
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[kallend 2,150]

billvon

What’s striking about this frank admission of the way extreme weather is ravaging Texas is that it stands alongside Perry’s ongoing dogged refusal — backed by many of the state’s other Republicans — to acknowledge the science that links these weather shifts to climate change and human-driven global warming.

In the last few years, Perry has called the data on Global warming “doctored,” claimed the “so-called science” has been “hijacked by the political left,” and said “it’s all one contrived phony mess that is falling apart under its own weight.”
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I'm sure the political left has been controlling Texas weather to embarrass the governor. Probably used nanothermite to do it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rhaig 0]

kallend

I'm sure the political left has been controlling Texas weather to embarrass the governor. Probably used nanothermite to do it.

get your whacko conspiracy theories straight!

HAARP is used to control weather.

--
Rob

[headoverheels 334]

popsjumper

I'm packin' a beaver coat and my speedos.
I'm ready either way.

Damn, Pops, where's the mental bleach?

[kallend 2,150]

lawrocket

Feel cold?

June 28, 2013: The mercury may hit 130 degrees F. in Death Valley, Calif. (The all-time high anywhere on Earth is 134 degrees.)

The National Weather Service is calling for 118 in Phoenix, and 117 in Las Vegas on Sunday — a mark reached only twice in Sin City.

No, not feeling cold at all.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[bakerjan 0]

lawrocket

*** So far this year, there have been 15,055 record highs, but only 1,343 record lows in the USA. That's a ratio of 11:1

Feeling warm?

Here's this website
[Url]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/[/url]

Year to Date: Jan 1 - Jun 23, 2013
Record high - 5,899
High minimum - 7,886
Low max - 9,328
Low min - 7,349

And let's take a look at how 2012's weather year-to-date turned out for record temps
(Oddly, this data doesn't match the data that kallend cited for last year - I'm a couple weeks early and there were more highs and lows on both sides. But not 11:1. Why's the data keep on changing and changing and changing?)
Last Year to Date Jan 1 - Jun 23, 2012:
High max - 20,025
High min - 17,530
Low max - 3,205
Low min - 2,104


This year's weather in the US is dramatically different from last year's. 13,785 record highs compared to 16,677 record lows. And in this cold year-to-date we've had 5,970 record snows compared to last year's 2,653 record snows to date. And about 750 more days of record percipitation this year (though not as significant, statistically).

Feel cold?

I was on the fence about this whole thing until I read this science lesson.

http://www.middlebury.net/op-ed/global-warming-01.html

It seems like it answers everyone's questions. It sure answered mine. It will be interested to see what Bill and Kallend and lawrocket have to say about it.

Jan

[lawrocket 3]

I took a look at it. It said some good things but I thought it was too argumentative and opinionated. "CO2 is not significant?" I disagree. That kind of stuff. But it ain't a bad primer.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 2,150]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23154073

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[lawrocket 3]

At the same time, climate norms also occurred at an unprecedented rate. More people did not die from climate events over the last decade than at any time during human existence.

I gotta love the evolution of this stuff. Global warming became global climate change became climate change and now has become extreme weather. "Extreme" is, of course, subjective. Put a person on skis behind a boat and call it water skiing. Put a GoPro on the skier's head and it becomes an "extreme sport."

For example, many people would consider a "tornado" to be an "extreme" weather event. On the other hand, anybody with a degree of honesty would also look at tornadoes to be normal events since here in the US we average over 1000 of them PER YEAR. "But lawrocket," you may say, "EF3 and above are comparatively rare throughout history - 95% of tornadoes are EF2 and below. Yet we are seeing many EF3 and higher per year."

To which I respond that 5% of 1,000 is "50 tornadoes of EF3 or higher per year in the US. Even though .1% of tornadoes are EF5, that means that we can expect 1 EF5 per year." But yet, we can look at something like data.

[Url]http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/clim/EF3-EF5.png[/url]

And we can make our own conclusions. It seems to me that we are seeing some extreme weather, "extreme" being "lessening of violent tornadoes." In other words, the lessening of tornadoes and the dearth of hurricanes making landfall on US shores are both "extreme." (Note - I used US tornadoes because the US has so damned many compared with other places on earth).

I HATE use of subjective terms being used to spin perception of objective reality. "Extreme weather." Yeah. Let's keep lowering the bar to use pure opinion as a reflection of the changing climate. Argument. Spin. Political stuff. Hypothesis: "There is more extreme weather now." Observations: "Yep. It's more extreme." Conclusion: "There is more extreme weather now."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

Uh oh. The news is in and it's pretty bad...

[Url]http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-03/un-charts-unprecedented-global-warming-since-2000.html[/url]

[Quote]UN Charts ‘Unprecedented’ Global Warming Since 2000

Here thought that since 1998 warming has been relatively flat. It's been all the talk around the water coolers that there has been a pause in warming the last 15 years - even the alarmists at realclimate admit it annd have been wracking their brains to find some explanation. Nope. Turns out they're all wrong! It's getting warmer and warming faster than ever.

It appears they are using some statistical methodology that is as follows: I arrived at the airport at noon. I did preflight run up and takeoff, climbing to FL065 by 1300. I maintained level flight and at 1400 I was at FL064.

My average altitude was 2500 between 1200 and 1300. My average altitude was 6450 between 1300 and 1400. That means that my rate of increase in average altitude between 1300 and 1400 was 3950 feet. Wheras is was 2500 the hour before. Anyone could see I finished the hour below where I started it, but by some measures, I climbed much more quickly during that time.

And there is wonder about why people like me are skeptical. Seriously - what is the goal of climate alarmism? What is it that makes people pull this sort of shit? What do they hope to accomplish with this?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[turtlespeed 226]

lawrocket

Uh oh. The news is in and it's pretty bad...

[Url]http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-03/un-charts-unprecedented-global-warming-since-2000.html[/url]

[Quote]UN Charts ‘Unprecedented’ Global Warming Since 2000

Here thought that since 1998 warming has been relatively flat. It's been all the talk around the water coolers that there has been a pause in warming the last 15 years - even the alarmists at realclimate admit it annd have been wracking their brains to find some explanation. Nope. Turns out they're all wrong! It's getting warmer and warming faster than ever.

It appears they are using some statistical methodology that is as follows: I arrived at the airport at noon. I did preflight run up and takeoff, climbing to FL065 by 1300. I maintained level flight and at 1400 I was at FL064.

My average altitude was 2500 between 1200 and 1300. My average altitude was 6450 between 1300 and 1400. That means that my rate of increase in average altitude between 1300 and 1400 was 3950 feet. Wheras is was 2500 the hour before. Anyone could see I finished the hour below where I started it, but by some measures, I climbed much more quickly during that time.

And there is wonder about why people like me are skeptical. Seriously - what is the goal of climate alarmism? What is it that makes people pull this sort of shit? What do they hope to accomplish with this?

Money, Political Power, the satisfaction that you are getting over on some of the masses.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[lawrocket 3]

kallend

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Feel cold?

June 28, 2013: The mercury may hit 130 degrees F. in Death Valley, Calif. (The all-time high anywhere on Earth is 134 degrees.)

And happy 100th Anniversary to the hottest day ever. July 10, 1913.

It's actually part of the hottest week ever recorded. It averaged a high of about 129 over 7 days. This last heat wave was a doozy. But it was still a far cry from a record. (Yes, 5 degrees is a huge difference with record heat).

My wife is hotter than your wife.