popsjumper 2 #76 June 25, 2012 Quote When the people with invisible friends stop trying to force their morality on everyone else, then I'll stop insulting them. Until then, they're fair game. And yet you don't realize that you are doing the same....YOU are fair game. Book learning is one thing. Common sense is another. A well-rounded human has some of both. So...instead of insulting religions, how about sticking to the original topic that you so graciously pointed out to others after you went off on you typical diatribe?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #77 June 25, 2012 QuoteBest thing I've ever heard you say John. I don't go knocking door to door to try and convince someone there is no invisible magic being. I don't stand on street corners screaming in people's faces about this invisible guy. Nah...too much work. You, like John, just do it online while sitting in your easy chair.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #78 June 25, 2012 Quote Thanks for proving m point. Ummmmm...did you have a valid point? I missed it.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #79 June 25, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhen the people with invisible friends stop trying to force their morality on everyone else, then I'll stop insulting them. Until then, they're fair game. Sounds similar to: "When black people stop destroying my city and jews stop ripping me off, I'll stop insulting them. Until then, they're fair game... You can choose not to believe in mythical friends. A black person can't choose not to be black.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #80 June 25, 2012 QuoteQuote When the people with invisible friends stop trying to force their morality on everyone else, then I'll stop insulting them. Until then, they're fair game. And yet you don't realize that you are doing the same....YOU are fair game. I'm not telling you to behave according to my beliefs. You can do whatever you like with your own body as far as I'm concerned. The religious right should stop telling women what to do with their own bodies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #81 June 25, 2012 I find it interesting that, yet again, the main participants in a discussion about abortion are men. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #82 June 25, 2012 I get schooled every time I point that out. Apparently some men prefer to make decisions based on control and power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #83 June 25, 2012 QuoteI find it interesting that, yet again, the main participants in a discussion about abortion are men. Wendy P. Do you think men (generically) should be telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body, Wendy?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #84 June 25, 2012 Now, we're treading on thin ice again. Whether the discussion is being had between men or women is only relevant if there is only a man and woman in the dispute. AGAIN, this is only relevant if you buy into the emotional argument that abortion is about men trying to control a woman's body. It assumes there is no child involved anywhere in the equation. If, however, you suspect there might be a child involved, there is an issue for society to mull over and the gender of the participants in the discussion should not matter.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #85 June 25, 2012 That is YOUR opinion as a man. It's NOT your body. YOUR beliefs should NEVER nullify another's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #86 June 25, 2012 Quote It assumes there is no child involved anywhere in the equation. The only assumption I make is that the ONLY person who decides what a woman does with her own body is the woman herself. And particularly no busybodying male.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #87 June 25, 2012 QuoteThat is YOUR opinion as a man. It's NOT your body. Hypothetical situation: You're happily married, both of you wanting to have children. Your wife gets pregnant, and you're both very excited about it. Everything's going along fine, the unborn baby appears perfectly healthy, you've painted the baby room and bought all the baby stuff, etc. Around seven months pregnant, she decides she doesn't want a baby, so she goes and has an abortion without even discussing it with you. No problem here? It was her body and none of your business what she chose to do with it? (I realize I'm using an unlikely scenario, but I'm just curious if you truly feel that a man's opinion on abortion should never matter.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #88 June 25, 2012 Again I reference family law courts. Until it's a born baby, I, as a male, have NO legal argument (most of the time). It's considered a legal procedure, requires no external authorization (unless a minor in some states) - what is there to do? Given it's already happened in your scenario, what recourse would a man have anyway? Divorce her. Win almost everything in court due to her actions. Done. Next. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #89 June 25, 2012 QuoteDo you think society (generically) should be telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body, Wendy? fixed it - this is the real argument, "men vs women" is the emotional argument that fuzzes it up. I'd hope you'd be just as outraged if a female busybody tried to tell a women what to do with her body. Or you to your body for that matter.. Though it shouldn't change anyone's opinion if they already have one, it's still an important clarification. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #90 June 25, 2012 QuoteAgain I reference family law courts. Until it's a born baby, I, as a male, have NO legal argument (most of the time). It's considered a legal procedure, requires no external authorization (unless a minor in some states) - what is there to do? Given it's already happened in your scenario, what recourse would a man have anyway? Divorce her. Win almost everything in court due to her actions. Done. Next. I can assure you any woman with that attitude isn't going to be married for very long. A woman that puts his feeling aside and won't consider them in her decision is likely a shrew and not worthy of his affection anyway. Except of course some of the really desperate, needy wimps who will let any woman walk all over them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #91 June 25, 2012 QuoteAgain I reference family law courts. Until it's a born baby, I, as a male, have NO legal argument (most of the time). It's considered a legal procedure, requires no external authorization (unless a minor in some states) - what is there to do? Given it's already happened in your scenario, what recourse would a man have anyway? Divorce her. Win almost everything in court due to her actions. Done. Next. you're avoiding the hypothetical - did you have anything invested in that pregnancy and that marriage? apparently, only the legality is the issue? so this is equivalent to you as her having a mole removed then? Though then I'd have to ask you why you decorated and painted a room for the mole..... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #92 June 25, 2012 QuoteI can assure you any woman with that attitude isn't going to be married for very long. A woman that puts his feeling aside and won't consider them in her decision is likely a shrew and not worthy of his affection anyway. Except of course some of the really desperate, needy wimps who will let any woman walk all over them. depends - how big are her tits? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #93 June 25, 2012 QuoteDivorce her. Win almost everything in court due to her actions. Why would you win almost everything in court? It was just a medical procedure that she had done to her body. None of your business and no harm done to you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #94 June 25, 2012 pretty easy to get an emotional lean in a court led by MEN when a bitch kills your kid. As some would see it anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #95 June 25, 2012 Quotepretty easy to get an emotional lean in a court led by MEN when a bitch kills your kid. As some would see it anyway. again - in this scenario, do you think you'd still get an emotional lean in a court led by WOMEN? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #96 June 25, 2012 Quote None of your business and no harm done to you. absolutely, the guy in the scenario needs to suck it up and stop being such a pansy, and quickly repaint that room into a nice office or library ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #97 June 25, 2012 Quotepretty easy to get an emotional lean in a court led by MEN when a bitch kills your kid. Oh, OK. So now it's a kid, not just a woman's body. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #98 June 25, 2012 Hey it's working for some emotional arguments! So anywho...yes, of course I would obviously have some serious emotional investment. I'm a father of three girls. However crushed I would be - there is no recourse. Nothing could ever make that situation right. I've been in plenty of those situations in life. In the end, we deal with it in the best way we can. I HAVE been in an abortion decision once in my life. As much as it pained me to make that decision, we made it. Together. I still stand by that being the right decision for US at that time in our lives. Much like a lot of things in life, decisions are not always easy to make, nor is the outcome always easy to stomach. I find doing the best I can in everything to be a challenge. Yet here I am, doing it. The best I can. YMMV I still stand by my belief that abortion should remain a choice. Like it is now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #99 June 25, 2012 Quote I find it interesting that, yet again, the main participants in a discussion about abortion are men. Wendy P. Well, it seems some people are trying to make this a discussion about vaginas...what do you expect?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #100 June 25, 2012 Quote to make that decision, we made it. Together. I think that's the only point a lot of people are making that brusque and quick replies like all of Kallend's and the one you initiated appear to disregard. QuoteI still stand by my belief that abortion should remain a sensitive and educated choice. and that position is held by a lot of us, but the consequences to everybody isn't so simple to disregard in real life and in most cases shouldn't have to disregarded so simply ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
