Barry lets Eric off the hook

[airdvr 210]

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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama has asserted executive privilege over documents sought by a House committee investigating the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting, according to a letter to the panel Wednesday from Deputy Attorney Gen. James Cole.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/politics/holder-contempt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Typical inside the beltway BS. The Royals always look out for their own.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama has asserted executive privilege over documents sought by a House committee investigating the botched Fast and Furious gun-running sting, according to a letter to the panel Wednesday from Deputy Attorney Gen. James Cole.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/20/politics/holder-contempt/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Typical inside the beltway BS. The Royals always look out for their own.

Agreed, which is why we can end the thread with your OP. As best as I can recall - with the exception of Nixon's firing of Elliot Richardson and William Ruckeshaus during the "Saturday Night Massacre" over Watergate, every president's AG has been embattled (and/or a prick) over one thing or another, and every president has stood behind his AGs.

Everyone looks out for their own. Ever notice how whenever a dicey skydiving incident that's on YouTube starts getting discussed in earnest and linked on here, it's almost always taken down after a couple of days? Same shit, different latrine.

[lawrocket 3]

On the way to Court this morning, I heard is stated that members of Congress and the Administration are saying that the Republicans in the House are refusing to compromise over the documents they requested.

Yep. There's the word again. "Compromise." "The Republicans are asking documents. They won't just accept the ones we gave them. What assholes. They won't compromise."

Seriously. This is ridiculous. If I want documents I ask for them. If I don't get them I go for them. If they're privileged I'm told up front. I don't take, "Hey. I've got documents but I don't think you should havbe them. How about only taking the ones I don't mind you seeing? What? I'm compromising here and giving you some! Compromise with me. No? How dare you not compromise!"

This is where the whole compromise shit is leading us.

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[DaVinci 0]

I seriously doubt that a Congressional committee being allowed to read some documents about a program run by the ATF is going to put the US's security at any risk.

This is simple covering up for a screw up.

[devildog 0]

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I seriously doubt that a Congressional committee being allowed to read some documents about a program run by the ATF is going to put the US's security at any risk.

This is simple covering up for a screw up.

qft

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

[funjumper101 15]

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On the way to Court this morning, I heard is stated that members of Congress and the Administration are saying that the Republicans in the House are refusing to compromise over the documents they requested.

Yep. There's the word again. "Compromise." "The Republicans are asking documents. They won't just accept the ones we gave them. What assholes. They won't compromise."

Seriously. This is ridiculous. If I want documents I ask for them. If I don't get them I go for them. If they're privileged I'm told up front. I don't take, "Hey. I've got documents but I don't think you should havbe them. How about only taking the ones I don't mind you seeing? What? I'm compromising here and giving you some! Compromise with me. No? How dare you not compromise!"

This is where the whole compromise shit is leading us.

Short memories are common these days. Much the same thing happend with ShrubCo and none of the right wing conservatives expressed anything but 100% support for the stonewalling. As usual, now that a Democratic administration is doing the EXACT SAME THING, right wing conservatives are waxing wroth.
The lack of consistency by RWCs is par for the course, unfortunately.

[rushmc 23]

So, Grassley is asking a great question

Why exec privilege over documents that Obama has supposedly never seen?


And now Holder is saying this was Bush's program and it is his fault. So, since they hate Bush so much, why not release the docs and let him fry?

Gonna be fun to see what happens

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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On the way to Court this morning, I heard is stated that members of Congress and the Administration are saying that the Republicans in the House are refusing to compromise over the documents they requested.

Yep. There's the word again. "Compromise." "The Republicans are asking documents. They won't just accept the ones we gave them. What assholes. They won't compromise."

Seriously. This is ridiculous. If I want documents I ask for them. If I don't get them I go for them. If they're privileged I'm told up front. I don't take, "Hey. I've got documents but I don't think you should havbe them. How about only taking the ones I don't mind you seeing? What? I'm compromising here and giving you some! Compromise with me. No? How dare you not compromise!"

This is where the whole compromise shit is leading us.

Short memories are common these days. Much the same thing happend with ShrubCo and none of the right wing conservatives expressed anything but 100% support for the stonewalling. As usual, now that a Democratic administration is doing the EXACT SAME THING, right wing conservatives are waxing wroth.
The lack of consistency by RWCs is par for the course, unfortunately.

Ya

Bush did it something like 6 times. Clinton somewhere around 16

but

This time he is doing the exact same thing as Nixon did

We all know what happened when the SC told Nixon he could not use it in that well known case

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DaVinci 0]

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Short memories are common these days. Much the same thing happend with ShrubCo and none of the right wing conservatives expressed anything but 100% support for the stonewalling. As usual, now that a Democratic administration is doing the EXACT SAME THING, right wing conservatives are waxing wroth.
The lack of consistency by RWCs is par for the course, unfortunately.

And yet when Bush did it you were calling for his head on a pike... and now defending Obama.

So, you are doing the SAME thing you bitch at others for doing.

[lawrocket 3]

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uch the same thing happend with ShrubCo and none of the right wing conservatives expressed anything but 100% support for the stonewalling. As usual, now that a Democratic administration is doing the EXACT SAME THING

Yep.

You are supporting those who acted like Shrub. Congrats on the high ground.

And note, the hypocrisy runs both ways. The next time a GOP guy is in office, the same arguments will hold.

Check out my ideas on this from back in 2004:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1133258#1133258

Note that I have the same criticisms of THAT president as this one. Unlike you, I don't think it's okay if Obama does it because Bush did it. I also don't disparage Bush for doing it but think it's okay because if Obama does it.

I have standards. I favor a nation of laws and rules.

It appears that you favor a nation of men. If your guy does it, that's swell. If someone else does it - BAD BAD BAD!

ps - yes, I still find it pretty ironic how much you approve of Obama doing just what Bush did.

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[lawrocket 3]

He's approving of Obama. Why? Because he's doign what Shrub did?

That should be an INDICTMENT of Obama!

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[davjohns 1]

Mmmm...never heard of negotiating a subpoena. You can go to the Judge and enter a Motion to Quash (asking the Judge to invalidate the subpoena). But negotiation? Nope. You are either entitled to something or you aren't. A partial answer is a wrong answer.

Not sure where executive privilege comes in when the Whitehouse knew nothing about the program. I'm not a fan of Executive Privilege in ANY administration. Yes, you are the President. You are also a temporary employee of the People of the US.

What was all that stuff about transparency a few years ago?

I've always been a fan of going with honesty and letting the chips fall where they may. If I screwed up, tell me so. I will not do it again. If I didn't screw up, there's no need to hide it. I know this rule doesn't necessarily work in DC. That's why I avoid the place. Honesty may be the best policy, but it's not the policy of any administration I've ever seen.

Semi- random thoughts...

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I seriously doubt that a Congressional committee being allowed to read some documents about a program run by the ATF is going to put the US's security at any risk.

This is simple covering up for a screw up.

that's pretty much what Andy said.

[rushmc 23]

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I seriously doubt that a Congressional committee being allowed to read some documents about a program run by the ATF is going to put the US's security at any risk.

This is simple covering up for a screw up.

that's pretty much what Andy said.

All cover ups are the same until a look at what is being hidden comes to light

Somehow, this seems to be much bigger than most. The family of the slain agent are still trying to get documents too.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Executive privelge is bullshit. The Obama Administration needs to release these documents. I'm disappointed in "Barry".

BTW, calling him by his proper name or title like a grown-up would really improve your credibility.

- Dan G

[davjohns 1]

I took 'The Royals' to reference those within the beltway that think they are above the law, elitest, etc. Not necessary specifically POTUS, but all predecessors as well.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[airdvr 210]

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Executive privelge is bullshit. The Obama Administration needs to release these documents. I'm disappointed in "Barry". BTW, calling him by his proper name or title like a grown-up would really improve your credibility.

You're assuming that I'm concerned about establishing my credibility here. I don't care for the man, nor the President. I've never hidden that.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[DanG 1]

I just think you look more like a man worthy of respect, if you show respect to others.

If you're not concerned about being respected here, drive on.

- Dan G

[lawrocket 3]

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Executive privelge is bullshit.

Not always. There are some considerations of it in terms of checks & balances, separation of powers. Sometimes - i.e. national security - I can see it. Problem is that, like any privilege, it can and is "abused."

but again, this is somewhat different because it's a President who promised transparency.

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[AggieDave 6]

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I seriously doubt that a Congressional committee being allowed to read some documents about a program run by the ATF is going to put the US's security at any risk.

This is simple covering up for a screw up.

Even money the original program was signed off in the Oval Office, so it was a deal: "he'll sign this to let you off the hook and you'll keep your mouth shut instead of implicating the president..."

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[rushmc 23]

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I just think you look more like a man worthy of respect, if you show respect to others.

If you're not concerned about being respected here, drive on.

Respectfully

I ask that you read YOUR post as if it was sent to you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Barack Obama, January 21, 2009:

"The way to make government responsible is to hold it accountable. The way to make government accountable is to make it transparent, so the American people can know exactly what decisions are being made, how they're being well made, and whether their interests are being well served...For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over, starting today."

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[davjohns 1]

I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean what it appears to mean.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[BillyVance 35]

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I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean what it appears to mean.

I dunno... it looks pretty cut and dried to me. Elaborate?

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[rushmc 23]

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Barack Obama, January 21, 2009:

"The way to make government responsible is to hold it accountable. The way to make government accountable is to make it transparent, so the American people can know exactly what decisions are being made, how they're being well made, and whether their interests are being well served...For a long time now, there's been too much secrecy in this city. The old rules said that if there was a defensible argument for not disclosing something to the American people, then it should not be disclosed. That era is now over, starting today."

Then Senator Obama said this about Bush using exec privilege

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/06/20/flashback-then-senator-obama-spoke-out-against-use-of-executive-privilege-in-2007/

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There’s been a tendency on the part of this administration to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky taking place. The administration would be best served by coming clean on this.”

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln