masterrig 1 #26 June 20, 2012 QuoteNo. Just legalize it all and tax it. Problem solved over night as the 'Mexican Narco Terrorists' would lose their business. I mean if Portugal could do it why not the US? It makes no sense that if a person has a problem with alcohol then they're treated as a person with a problem that needs fixing and are put into an institution to get help whereas a person with issues with any other substance is treated like a criminal scum and is sent to jail to be raped on a daily basis. You don't suppose the drug cartels could still control the growth and distribution of marijuana? I've read news stories about drug cartels trying to control where the (so called) legal dirtributors in California get their weed. I just don't see where legalizing dope would make a difference. Those guys are serious. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #27 June 20, 2012 Quote Quote It's like calling people "terrorists" is cause to suspend any and all due process. seems also like it may be even harder to differentiate drug runners from civilians (like would be border crossers). Could end up with the same carnage Berlin had in the no man's land between the Walls. Using them for surveillance with the ok from the Mexicans is not so dicey. Differentiating beyween drug runners and 'citizens' is difficult because they are one in the same. Cartels offer a Mexican citizen $500.00 to $1,000.00 or more, to strap a 50-lb. back-pack of dope and carry it to a point here in the States. Those 'mules' are not gang or cartel members, just someone looking to make a quick buck. There are times when the mules' are escorted by well armed guards, depending on the amount of dope being moved. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #28 June 20, 2012 That's because it's no complete legalization. I think only in Cali and only as a prescription drugs, am I right? Look at the completely legalized drugs: ever wondered where the alcohol, nicotine and caffeine Mafia are? They don't exist. There's some petty smuggling going on between countries with different sin taxes, but that's about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #29 June 20, 2012 QuoteQuote I think a response could fall under defending out country ....whatever. Any excuse to "justify" stupid shit. Typical 'Merican goobermint. I can't believe all the war mongers in SC. Well, maybe I can. If it is a direct response, to a direct attack. Nothing more, for nothing less. War monger? I like you abore war, cause I like you have fought it. But I, like you, understand there is a time when it is inevitable, and I am not afraid to acknowledge that. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 June 20, 2012 California may have 'legalized' weed as a prescription drug, but they are still, violating dederal law, if I'm not mistaken. It's still, a controlled substance. Caffeine mafia? That's a new one. If, weed gets legalized the cartels still, will have 'coke'. You want to see that legalized, too? There will always be something that criminals will control and build warehouses just to store their money in. Chuck Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #31 June 20, 2012 Personally I see no reason why coke should not be legal. Especially given the "Class" system of what is currently illegal and why. How the hell weed is considered more dangerous than coke and heroin will never make sense to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #32 June 20, 2012 I wonder if those who support legalization of drugs have thought through what the drug dealers would do to earn a living when their cash cow was gone. Do you think they will just retreat from the world and grow old? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #33 June 20, 2012 QuoteIgnoring the current administration's use of the drones? We use them wherever the fuck we please. Not ignoring it. But there is a difference between going after a 'terrorist' and a drug runner. And there is a difference between the mountains of some Country filled with people that hate the US and some guys trying to make money off of US demand. I do think we should have drones flying over our Southern border... Just not armed drones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #34 June 20, 2012 Nope! The criminal element will always find something to 'make a living'. the Mafia was mentioned earlier in this thread. Look at them... they're still quite active and you and I both know, whatever they are doing is not legal. I really believe, those who want to see illicit drugs legalized are a part of the problem. It's bad enough we have alchohol. Now, they want to add weed, coke, heroin and etc. to the equation. It's nuts. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 June 20, 2012 I've never heard or read where weed is considered more dangerous than coke or heroin. That not to say that someone hasn't said that. I would put the effects of weed in about the same catagory as alchohol. Still, not good. I've seen, on a personal level what coke can do to a perfectly good person and it ain't pretty. Like alchohol, users all feel that they can 'handle' it. No matter what the drug of choice is. The reality is much different. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #36 June 20, 2012 Weed is a Class I drug, coke and H are a Class II. You ever see a prescription for Heroin? Meth??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #37 June 20, 2012 QuoteNow, they want to add weed, coke, heroin and etc. to the equation. It's nuts. I don't use illegal drugs, so I don't want to add anything to the equation. Drugs are already part of the equation, and have always been part of it. The War on Drugs and other attempts to eliminate drugs from society turned out to be exercises in futility that had no noticeable result on the actual drugs consumption. I don't want to waste any more money to fight a war that can't be won and makes the situation worse than it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #38 June 20, 2012 Quote Quote Mexican narco gangsters should be eliminated along with the violence they cause by legalizing recreational drugs, eliminating the profits to be made from such drugs, and therefore getting rid of that business and all that goes with it. that would make good taxmoney Not really. Drugs are expensive because you need to compensate the business participants for their risk of incarceration. A kilogram of cocaine starts at $2000, picks up a $20,000 price tag coming from Mexico the United States, and reaches $100,000 once split into individual servings by street dealers. Without pay to offset the risks it'd be more like alcohol. While at the grocery store the other day I noted that a 30 dose supply of cheap beer was only $15. A low price tag with no increase in the user base wouldn't make for a lot of taxes. We'd save money on the spending side of the government gravy train with reduced enforcement costs. America would cease to have the highest incarceration rate in the world (although we make up 5% of the world's population we have about 25% of the inmates). In California that runs us $40,000 per inmate per year. The prison guards' union wouldn't be terribly happy, although I think the governments should be run for the rest of us not the special interests. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #39 June 20, 2012 I wasn't aware of the classification of illicit drugs. Thanks! Let me ask this, not just of you but anyone who cares to respond to this. Point-out to me, one truly good thing about coke, weed, speed, 'horse', any of it. Just one redeeming point. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 June 20, 2012 QuoteI wasn't aware of the classification of illicit drugs. Thanks! Let me ask this, not just of you but anyone who cares to respond to this. Point-out to me, one truly good thing about coke, weed, speed, 'horse', any of it. Just one redeeming point. Chuck It makes the users miserable life seem not so bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 867 #41 June 20, 2012 Given recent medical proof of the benefits of weed, I'd have to remove that one from the list....but can't disagree on the others. I do not see them as a legal issue though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #42 June 20, 2012 I can understand that. It's just a damned shame there is such a demand for something that has absolutely no redeeming value, that I can see. Why people want to screw themselves up is beyond me. Yet, it appears to be among the 'freedoms' in this country. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #43 June 20, 2012 Name one redeeming quality of skydiving. It doesn't really have any. Should we ban it, too? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #44 June 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteI wasn't aware of the classification of illicit drugs. Thanks! Let me ask this, not just of you but anyone who cares to respond to this. Point-out to me, one truly good thing about coke, weed, speed, 'horse', any of it. Just one redeeming point. Chuck It makes the users miserable life seem not so bad. To me, I see it as self-centered behavior and a 'don't give a shit' attitude about anyone else as long as they get their daily fix. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #45 June 20, 2012 I agree with you that drugs would be much cheaper, but still the government could (and should) make much money of off sin taxes. If for every average dose of drugs five dollars rolls into the American Treasury, that's going to be one giant green tsunami of free money. I read that Americans manage to squeeze around 9 dollars of sintax out of a pack of cigarettes, so 5 dollars isn't unrealistic, and probably on the low side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #46 June 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI wasn't aware of the classification of illicit drugs. Thanks! Let me ask this, not just of you but anyone who cares to respond to this. Point-out to me, one truly good thing about coke, weed, speed, 'horse', any of it. Just one redeeming point. Chuck It makes the users miserable life seem not so bad. To me, I see it as self-centered behavior and a 'don't give a shit' attitude about anyone else as long as they get their daily fix. Chuck As I said......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #47 June 20, 2012 There ya' go! It's all about the money and getting wasted! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #48 June 20, 2012 ...and football, baseball, soccer, hockey, tennis, fishing, hunting... Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #50 June 20, 2012 Why doesn't the FDA approve it then? As big as they are, they could surely get it accepted as beneficial. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
