Another episode in the GOP's war on women

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www.freep.com/article/20120614/NEWS15/120614049/Michigan-house-representatives-abortion-comments?odyssey=nav%7Chead

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WTF, War on Women means passing an 'anti-abortion' law that makes it into a crime to coerce a woman into abortion?

American politics is the biggest fucking joke on this planet.

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WTF, War on Women means passing an 'anti-abortion' law that makes it into a crime to coerce a woman into abortion?

American politics is the biggest fucking joke on this planet.

Yeah, it kind of is . . .

See that "coerce a woman into an abortion" part is a red-herring. It's tacked on to the rest of the bill which is technical and actually is against the rights of women, but the guys who wrote it knew that language wouldn't help them in the press, so they tacked on this language about making it a crime to "coerce a woman into abortion" because who the fuck does that anyway and it sounds pretty fuckin' evil and it would be except nobody really does it all that often. VERY few people walk into an abortion clinic with a gun to their head, but damn it makes for a good sounding talking point doesn't it?

So, yeah, that's why our politics are a joke, because lawmakers tack shit on to bills that helps them sell it in the press rather than address actual issues and they talk about bills the exactly opposite of what they really do.

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Supporters said the legislation was about protecting women.

“This will only enhance access to womens’ health care,” said state Rep. Gail Haines, R-Lake Angelus.

Bullshit.

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Yes, Dems should be proud of the fact that gender selection has produced a gender imbalance of nearly 100 million world-wide. Perhaps one day we can have a national policy that only allows a woman to have one child, like in China. This will result in a very high rate of abortion of females since they are undesireable in coutries that are trying to control their populations. I guess you could call the Democrats support of gender selection the real war on women.

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Yes, Dems should be proud of the fact that gender selection has produced a gender imbalance of nearly 100 million world-wide. Perhaps one day we can have a national policy that only allows a woman to have one child, like in China. This will result in a very high rate of abortion of females since they are undesireable in coutries that are trying to control their populations. I guess you could call the Democrats support of gender selection the real war on women.

OK, let's speak reasonably about this, because the occasional blowhard state legislator harps about this from time to time, too. But it's important to keep in mind that legislation should bear some degree of closeness to actual events or facts in the jurisdiction legislated, and not just to general abstractions based upon events in other nations or presumptions of other ethnic groups' practices (like Asian-Americans, etc.)

So: China, etc. aside, have there been statistically significant numbers of women in the US being coerced into having abortions, whether for gender selection or any other reason? If so, please point us to a link(s) so we can analyze the data objectively.

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the Democrats support of gender selection

Silly slander. "Democrats support of gender selection" simply does not exist any more than "Republican support of eating live kittens in front of small children" does.

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Yes, Dems should be proud of the fact that gender selection has produced a gender imbalance of nearly 100 million world-wide. Perhaps one day we can have a national policy that only allows a woman to have one child, like in China. This will result in a very high rate of abortion of females since they are undesireable in coutries that are trying to control their populations. I guess you could call the Democrats support of gender selection the real war on women.

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They (the Dems) need to divert the topic to a war on women to cover the fact that they racists because of the disproportionate number of blacks that are aborted every year. Something they seem to support

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Something they seem to support

Dems also seem to support burning grandmas at the stake. You believe that, too, don't you?

Really, guys, raise the level of debate.

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The question is does a woman have the right to abort based on gender preferences?. It's almost laughable that the DNC can claim that Reps are conducting a war on women when worldwide their ideology has resulted in the deaths of 100's of millions of aborted females. Now they try to mitigate the results of their ideology by focusing on just the abortions in the U.S. I'm sure all those aborted "fetuses in India, Pakistan, China, Africa etc. are comforted by how it affects abortion in the U.S.

[davjohns 1]

I see all rhetoric in this thread with no actual facts. I see people saying what the legislation is about without quoting it or providing a link.

Why hasn't the GOP won this 'war'? Don't they have the firearms?

Villification of those you disagree with (regardless of your affiliation) isn't debate. It's just schoolyard name calling.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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Something they seem to support

Dems also seem to support burning grandmas at the stake. You believe that, too, don't you?

Really, guys, raise the level of debate.

See?

You get it

The thread has a fuck stupid premise to begin with

I was just going with

Like you did

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Villification of those you disagree with (regardless of your affiliation) isn't debate. .

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/all-those-little-faces-elizabeth-vargas-explores-indias-gendercide/

http://www.catholiccitizens.org/views/contentview.asp?c=53924

Not hard to research. I still find it absolutely psychotic to claim the Repubs have a war on women when support for abortion has resulted in the greatest mass gynecide in the history of the world. Want to support abortion and a womans right to choose? Fine, but don't point the finger at those who oppose you and accuse them of something far less destructive than your own ideology.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/all-those-little-faces-elizabeth-vargas-explores-indias-gendercide/

http://www.catholiccitizens.org/views/contentview.asp?c=53924

Not hard to research. I still find it absolutely psychotic to claim the Repubs have a war on women when support for abortion has resulted in the greatest mass gynecide in the history of the world. Want to support abortion and a womans right to choose? Fine, but don't point the finger at those who oppose you and accuse them of something far less destructive than your own ideology.

Your concern for the innocent must explain your vehement opposition to the taxpayer funded bombing of Baghdad and concern for other victims of Bush's Iraq war as expressed in your 500+ posts on that topic.

Oh wait, you never expressed any concern at all.

Hypocrisy!

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The question is does a woman have the right to abort based on gender preferences?. It's almost laughable that the DNC can claim that Reps are conducting a war on women when worldwide their ideology has resulted in the deaths of 100's of millions of aborted females. Now they try to mitigate the results of their ideology by focusing on just the abortions in the U.S. I'm sure all those aborted "fetuses in India, Pakistan, China, Africa etc. are comforted by how it affects abortion in the U.S.

I thought that Right Wing Conservatives were all about keeping government off the backs of the people, minimizing regulations, and increasing personal freedom.

How do you explain/justify your position on regulating the right of an adult woman to control what personal decisions they make with regard to their own health and bodies? It isn't really ANY of yours or my business, if you support equal personal freedom for everybody.

Your position pretty much is 100% the opposite of being anti-government regulation and pro personal freedom.

I trust my sisters to make good, rational, informed decisions with regard to their health and personal circumstances. Why don't you? Why should the government be so intrusive?

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The right is claiming a war on women from the left because they are saying this bill prevents gender selection and the abortion of female fetuses.

The left is claiming a war on women because this bill regulates what a woman can do with with her body.

This whole thing stinks of election year hyper-partisan politics. I'm ashamed of my self for even taking the time to comment on it....

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Can't justify your stupid claims, eh.

Well, look at all the people FDR and Kennedy killed if you want to play that idiotic game.

And lets not forget Harry Truman dropping the Atomic Bomb or the physicists who developed the ultimate WMD. You've really got a lot of nerve to be pointing fingers at others.

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The question is does a woman have the right to abort based on gender preferences?. It's almost laughable that the DNC can claim that Reps are conducting a war on women when worldwide their ideology has resulted in the deaths of 100's of millions of aborted females. Now they try to mitigate the results of their ideology by focusing on just the abortions in the U.S. I'm sure all those aborted "fetuses in India, Pakistan, China, Africa etc. are comforted by how it affects abortion in the U.S.

I thought that Right Wing Conservatives were all about keeping government off the backs of the people, minimizing regulations, and increasing personal freedom.

How do you explain/justify your position on regulating the right of an adult woman to control what personal decisions they make with regard to their own health and bodies? It isn't really ANY of yours or my business, if you support equal personal freedom for everybody.

Your position pretty much is 100% the opposite of being anti-government regulation and pro personal freedom.

I trust my sisters to make good, rational, informed decisions with regard to their health and personal circumstances. Why don't you? Why should the government be so intrusive?

It's obvious you haven't a clue where I stand on abortion.

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[kallend 2,182]

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Can't justify your stupid claims, eh.

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Non sequitur of the first order. Fact is, you have a major league double standard.

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Can't justify your stupid claims, eh.

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Non sequitur of the first order. Fact is, you have a major league double standard.

Nope, the non-sequitur fact is you quickly changed the subject to your usual "I hate Bush" mantra. Supporting the abortion based gender selection has had a far more devastating effect on women than anything delusional you can conjure up about an imagined war on women by Republicans.

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have there been statistically significant numbers of women in the US being coerced into having abortions, whether for gender selection or any other reason?

No. In fact, I can't ever think of a circumstance where a guy, for example, takes the pregnant woman/girl to the clinic and even offers to pay for it. Consider, Andy, what it would be like even studying this. Is there a box checked at the clinic that says, "Have you been coerced?" Is that sent to a data bank? Could you imagine the privacy shit storm it would cause even asking this question?

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the occasional blowhard

Blowhards are the rule from both sides. "War on Women" is a blowhard statement. Period. It's designed to incite and inflame. You know all about this stuff.

Both sides do it. They both do it all the time. That's why some people are so pro-life that they kill people. The more extreme a person is, the easier it is to justify personal hypocrisy.

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