tkhayes 348 #27 June 16, 2012 well said, and all the issues you speak of manifest themselves as a gun problem (amongst other problems) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #28 June 16, 2012 Quotewell said, and all the issues you speak of manifest themselves as a gun problem (amongst other problems) not really. among the white affluent population in seattle, (legal) gun ownership is probably as high as among the less affluent population - and yet as shown, gun violence is way down in that demographic. That shows that there is not really a gun problem among the affluent white population there, relatively.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 June 16, 2012 Quotewell said, and all the issues you speak of manifest themselves as a gun problem (amongst other problems) Then why are guns deaths still down from their peak in the early 90's, while gun ownership continues to rise?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #30 June 17, 2012 I have no idea - why? You do not even know yourself. Why do we have more gun deaths than other countries that have fewer guns? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate We only rank better than a handful of third world countries....wow.... I not actually getting dragged into this despite your best efforts. I know that gun registration does not solve the problem. i know that gun restrictions do not solve the problem. But the problem is still a gun problem. Just like underage drinking laws do not solve drinking problems for teens, but it is still a teenage drinking problem..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #31 June 17, 2012 Quote Quote At least Canada thinks it has a gun problem, Watch this page and make sure to let us know when it jumps off the table and rampages through the town, will you? Damn uppity guns causing problems... The guy chose a lazy-assed gun. The damned thing is too lazy to get off it's ass and cause trouble.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 June 17, 2012 Where's your "cultural relativism" soap box?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 June 17, 2012 QuoteI have no idea - why? You do not even know yourself. Wanna bet? QuoteWhy do we have more gun deaths than other countries that have fewer guns? It's not because of the guns - sorry to burst your bubble. There's some good analysis of the issue here, as well as a series of posts based on stats from 3 years ago, here (follow-on pages in the left margin). QuoteBut the problem is still a gun problem. Except it's not. It's a cultural issue and a *crime* problem, not a tool used problem.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 June 17, 2012 Quote Why do we have more gun deaths than other countries that have fewer guns? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate We only rank better than a handful of third world countries....wow.... The wow part is that you site a chart that rates firearm related deaths, not deaths. Is it really better to be hacked to death by machete or stabbed or beaten to death? And then the second wow is that this chart includes suicides, which is more than half of the value for the US, as well as others. It's really beyond debate that people will use the available tools to kill themselves. The Japanese don't have guns, but that doesn't stop them from having one of the highest rates in the world, more than twice that in gun infested America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #35 June 17, 2012 QuoteI know that gun registration does not solve the problem. i know that gun restrictions do not solve the problem.. It's not a gun problem then. If the answer isn't around possession of the firearms, then the problem isn't related to the possession of the firearms. It's a violent crime problem. You keep calling this violent crime problem a gun problem. Yet you then say that gun restrictions wouldn't solve the problem. That sounds like a troll, or just adding drama to get responses. But you won't be dragged into this... sure...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #36 June 17, 2012 QuoteBut you won't be dragged into this... sure... watch this..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 June 17, 2012 Up to the Canadians. Do they use firearms for home defence in Canada?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #38 June 18, 2012 QuoteThey're a British Commonwealth country where the British Bill of Rights of 1689 should apply. I knew about that, but I do not know if it has been amended or overwritten since then. Clearly, England and Canada still do not follow that. What made it so the laws that contradict the 1689 Bill of Rights are legal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #39 June 18, 2012 Quote'Banning guns' would not stop the shootings. so either answer makes no difference True, and I am glad you admit that. QuoteELIMINATING guns would. no guns, no gun violence. If course that is only an ideology. No GUN violence, but there would still be violence. QuoteAt least Canada thinks it has a gun problem, the USA lives in denial. But neither country is any closer to a solution. 311 Million people live in the US. About 30K gun deaths in the US, HALF of which are suicides. So out of 311M people, 15k are killed by guns each year. Of those 15k: 1. Most were not legally owned weapons. 2. Most were people involved in other criminal activities. You earlier claimed that voter ID is not a big enough of a problem to implement since the cost of implementation would be greater than any benefit such as removing rights from law abiding citizens. Why is thinking that taking away rights from law abiding citizens to stop criminals from doing an illegal act with an illegality obtained object being a bad idea equal to "living in denial"? The US has a crime problem... The solution is not to take away rights from honest citizens. That is not equal to 'denial'. Give me a plan that removes the criminals from having guns but that does not hinder law abiding citizens in any way and I'll gladly discuss it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #40 June 18, 2012 QuoteGive me a plan that removes the criminals from having guns but that does not hinder law abiding citizens in any way and I'll gladly discuss it. Glad you admit that there is, in fact, a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #41 June 18, 2012 QuoteGlad you admit that there is, in fact, a problem I don't see gun ownership as a 'problem'. We have a problem of criminals doing illegal acts with illegal items. Again, show me a plan that removes the criminals from having guns but that does not hinder law abiding citizens in any way and I'll gladly discuss it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #42 June 18, 2012 QuoteWe have a problem of criminals doing illegal acts with illegal items. That's pretty much what criminals do. Passing more gun control laws will not impact them. Only law abiding citizens are impacted by laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #43 June 18, 2012 QuoteOnly law abiding citizens are impacted by laws. No more laws!!! They are useless. Laws are only broken by lawbreakers!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
