JohnRich 4 #1 June 1, 2012 News:Venezuela bans private gun ownership "Until now, anyone with a gun permit could buy arms from a private company. Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer... Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians..."Full story: BBC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #2 June 1, 2012 He once tried to get himself elected president for life. The only thing surprising about this move is that he waited so long. Tyrants usually try to disarm the population first.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #3 June 1, 2012 Chavez is a moron. Hopefully, he'll die early from his current health problems. He's paid little attention to succession beyond hoping that he lives for a really long time, so it'll be tough on Venezuela whenever he does go, so sooner is better than later, before he has a chance to piss away all of the oil. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #4 June 1, 2012 Thanks for the link to the full story. Here's another passage, also carefully and selectively cherry-picked from it: The ban is the latest attempt by the government to improve security and cut crime ahead of elections in October Venezuela saw more than 18,000 murders last year and the capital, Caracas, is thought to be one of the most dangerous cities in Latin America. .... Several Latin American countries have murder rates far higher than the global average of 6.9 murders per 100,000 people. According to a recent United Nations report, South America, Central America and the Caribbean have the highest rates of murder by firearms in the world. We report. You decide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #5 June 1, 2012 What countries have the highest rates of firearms ownership?You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #6 June 1, 2012 Interesting. Personally, I think the president is only concerned about preventing one murder...his. Just my two cents. I'm going to use my magical google to try to find out why they have so many murders. I know some around here will argue that it's private ownership of firearms. I'm going to pretend that people are weilding those firearms and see if they have some motivation other than the firearm told them to do it.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #7 June 1, 2012 QuoteInteresting. Personally, I think the president is only concerned about preventing one murder...his. . No doubt that's part of it, maybe a lot of it. But it begs the question: if he's a f***ing pig of a dictator (which I think he basically is), and he's been in office since 1999, why only now? Why not at least 10 years ago as an urgent element in his strategy to consolidate his power? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #8 June 1, 2012 QuoteWhat countries have the highest rates of firearms ownership? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #9 June 1, 2012 Quote Chavez is a moron. Hopefully, he'll die early from his current health problems. He's paid little attention to succession beyond hoping that he lives for a really long time, so it'll be tough on Venezuela whenever he does go, so sooner is better than later, before he has a chance to piss away all of the oil. Wendy P. Hm, you're usually so measured and prudent. You're pretty hot when you're in your Brasilian mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 June 1, 2012 Quote News: Venezuela bans private gun ownership "Until now, anyone with a gun permit could buy arms from a private company. Under the new law, only the army, police and certain groups like security companies will be able to buy arms from the state-owned weapons manufacturer and importer... Hugo Chavez's government says the ultimate aim is to disarm all civilians..." Full story: BBC A weekend cottage in Venezuela? Or why are you that concerned? Oh wait, it's about a gun ban ..... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #11 June 1, 2012 Quote He once tried to get himself elected president for life. ...... Looks like he's gonna pull it off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #12 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat countries have the highest rates of firearms ownership? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country Wow! I had no idea the US had 89 firearms per 100 people. I don't see Venezuela on the list at all. I don't think that means they are too low to make the list. I suspect it is hard to get numbers under the Chavez regime. What I've been reading indicates the murder rate is also hard to figure out because of his regime.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #13 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteInteresting. Personally, I think the president is only concerned about preventing one murder...his. . No doubt that's part of it, maybe a lot of it. But it begs the question: if he's a f***ing pig of a dictator (which I think he basically is), and he's been in office since 1999, why only now? Why not at least 10 years ago as an urgent element in his strategy to consolidate his power? Actually, the stuff I am reading indicates this is just one of many steps. Apparently he has been known for cutting funds to cities and areas that did not elect people loyal to him, stripped firearms from police in those same areas, etc. That has lead to more violence. Police have had to supplement their income by becoming criminals (restricting gun ownership to cops should help, right?). It's basically a complete mess with lots of reasons that ultimately lead back to Chavez. Papers have published pictures of murder victims and the Chavez courts have outlawed such photos. Murder rates have been increasing steadily and dramatically since he took office. Now, the time is ripe to restrict firearms to only those loyal to him and crush resistance. This could get even uglier.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #14 June 1, 2012 Viva Chavez! Oh wait, he's dying of cancer. Viva el gobierno de Chavez. El jefe lives through his rule.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 June 1, 2012 Quote This could get even uglier. Those folks are poor. They're told they should live as well as those they see. And the person telling them will do that for them. It's not working out. Never does.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #16 June 1, 2012 Unverified email received from a friend. Funny stuff... =========================================================================================== Doctors (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000. (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000. (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171 Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health and Human Services. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now think about this: Guns (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. (Yes, that's 80 million) (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188 Statistics courtesy of FBI >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT Almost everyone has at least one doctor. This means you are over 9,000 times more likely to be killed by a doctor as by a gun owner!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!! Out of concern for the public at large, We withheld the statistics on lawyers For fear the shock would cause People to panic and seek medical attention!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #17 June 2, 2012 Can I get a 'pass' on my doc? She's hot. smokin' HOT! I went in once to get viagra....she told me, "You obviously don't need it." My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #18 June 2, 2012 When guns are banned the criminals still get them anyway, through a black market, theft, or whatever. So what this edict will do is take guns away only from the law-abiding who are the victims of criminals. And where does that leave the honest citizens of Venezuela? Rampant crime and murder, and no means with which to defend themselves from it. Yeah, nothing could go wrong with that formula! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #19 June 2, 2012 Quotewhy are you that concerned? Why are you concerned about why he's concerned? Do you never worry about what happens to other people outside your own borders? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #20 June 2, 2012 QuoteChavez is a moron. Hopefully, he'll die early from his current health problems. He's paid little attention to succession beyond hoping that he lives for a really long time, so it'll be tough on Venezuela whenever he does go, so sooner is better than later, before he has a chance to piss away all of the oil. Oh my, sweet little Wendy! The fine lady who is always so level-headed and tolerant of others, no matter what their stripes. All sugar and spice and all things nice. And here she is hoping for an early death to Chavez - I'm shocked! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #21 June 2, 2012 Quote Quote why are you that concerned? Why are you concerned about why he's concerned? Do you never worry about what happens to other people outside your own borders? Of course, I do. But rarely caring about their weapons And disarmed as we are, we poor little Germans, I just do welcome every decision to ban weapons, wherever that country might be. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPiggie 0 #22 June 2, 2012 Quote Quote Quote why are you that concerned? Why are you concerned about why he's concerned? Do you never worry about what happens to other people outside your own borders? Of course, I do. But rarely caring about their weapons And disarmed as we are, we poor little Germans, I just do welcome every decision to ban weapons, wherever that country might be. Why are you in favor of other countries banning firearms for their citizenry, when you own firearms yourself? Don't you think that other people should have the same freedom to own firearms that you have? And if your own country of Germany were to ban civilian firearm ownership, would you applaud that decision and be happy to turn your guns in, with no tears shed for their loss? And I notice a contradiction in your post: you say you rarely care about their weapons, and then in the very next breath you welcome every decision to ban weapons. If you don't care about weapons, you wouldn't welcome decisions to ban them - you would be indifferent. And if you welcome decisions to ban them, then you DO care about their weapons. So, you're not making sense to little sky piggie... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #23 June 2, 2012 Quote.....And if your own country of Germany were to ban civilian firearm ownership, ........ Actually (according to wiki), they did this in 1938 (albeit for only one demographic group). Otherwise, the previous laws were somewhat relaxed. It seemed to work out pretty well (...except for that one demographic group). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #24 June 3, 2012 Me? I'm still waiting for Danny Glover and Sean Penn to move to Venezuela.... "There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #25 June 3, 2012 Yes, SkyPiggie, I'd turn them in, w/o tears and screaming For what else than hunting do I need a gun? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
