Rstanley0312 1 #1 June 1, 2012 http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/clinton-romneys-business-record-sterling-124980.htmlLife is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 June 1, 2012 jclalor hardest hit. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #3 June 1, 2012 Quote jclalor hardest hit. Clinton is a smart man.... I never loved him but I never hated him either.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 June 1, 2012 Gotta be careful not to step in any of it...from either side. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #5 June 2, 2012 I agree with Clinton. Romney did a great job in his business, but it in no ways translate to good economic policies. Timidity and lack of stimulus (that could get us out of the zero-bound economy) is bad Obama policies. However, Romney's imaginary structural policies are non-sense. Its almost a simulation of the 1930s gold standard or the 2000 Euro handicaps. Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #6 June 2, 2012 Quote jclalor hardest hit. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #7 June 4, 2012 QuoteI agree with Clinton. Romney did a great job in his business, but it in no ways translate to good economic policies. Timidity and lack of stimulus (that could get us out of the zero-bound economy) is bad Obama policies. However, Romney's imaginary structural policies are non-sense. Its almost a simulation of the 1930s gold standard or the 2000 Euro handicaps. Cheers! Shc What the US needs is someone who knows business and understands that you do not spend more if you are not bringing in more. It is that simple.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 June 4, 2012 QuoteWhat the US needs is someone who knows business and understands that you do not spend more if you are not bringing in more. It is that simple. Unless it is to go after Illegal Aliens. Unless it is to fund a giant military complex. Unless it is to fund Veteran's Benefits Etc. QuoteIt is that simple. Right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #9 June 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteI agree with Clinton. Romney did a great job in his business, but it in no ways translate to good economic policies. Timidity and lack of stimulus (that could get us out of the zero-bound economy) is bad Obama policies. However, Romney's imaginary structural policies are non-sense. Its almost a simulation of the 1930s gold standard or the 2000 Euro handicaps. Cheers! Shc What the US needs is someone who knows business and understands that you do not spend more if you are not bringing in more. It is that simple. It is with that sort of mentality that has led both Europe and the U.S into this mess. A country's economy is nowhere near the same as a business. We (both Europe/US) are conducting irresponsible economic policies with the backward notion that the economy should be managed like a "family's budget". The investors are essentially parking their money into U.S Gov bond and what does the Gov do with such low int-rate bonds? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Money is clogged into doing absolutely nothing, unemployment stays high and businesses have no justification to expand their investments because demands are low. This is the zero-bound economy of Japan in the 90s and the Great Depression. Yet people continue to prescribe catastrophic economic policies based on the false prejudice of "Government is on credit card". .. Eitherway, none of the candidates are serious about this deficit-talk. Romney's budget is going to bring explode deficit levels through tax-cuts and Romney's chief economic advisor Hubbard recognizes this is a zero-bound demand problem and said Romney will "create demand" (through higher gov spending). Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #10 June 4, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI agree with Clinton. Romney did a great job in his business, but it in no ways translate to good economic policies. Timidity and lack of stimulus (that could get us out of the zero-bound economy) is bad Obama policies. However, Romney's imaginary structural policies are non-sense. Its almost a simulation of the 1930s gold standard or the 2000 Euro handicaps. Cheers! Shc What the US needs is someone who knows business and understands that you do not spend more if you are not bringing in more. It is that simple. It is with that sort of mentality that has led both Europe and the U.S into this mess. A country's economy is nowhere near the same as a business. We (both Europe/US) are conducting irresponsible economic policies with the backward notion that the economy should be managed like a "family's budget". The investors are essentially parking their money into U.S Gov bond and what does the Gov do with such low int-rate bonds? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Money is clogged into doing absolutely nothing, unemployment stays high and businesses have no justification to expand their investments because demands are low. This is the zero-bound economy of Japan in the 90s and the Great Depression. Yet people continue to prescribe catastrophic economic policies based on the false prejudice of "Government is on credit card". .. Eitherway, none of the candidates are serious about this deficit-talk. Romney's budget is going to bring explode deficit levels through tax-cuts and Romney's chief economic advisor Hubbard recognizes this is a zero-bound demand problem and said Romney will "create demand" (through higher gov spending). Cheers! Shc Not sure how you see our govt. running things like a "family budget" or like a business. Last time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. It really is not all that complex but the left loves to present it that way.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 June 4, 2012 QuoteLast time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. Really? Many successful businesses have had times, and will have times, in which they have to spend more than they bring in. Do you really think Apple was in the black from its first year on? It really cannot be simplified like you imply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #12 June 5, 2012 QuoteQuoteLast time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. Really? Many successful businesses have had times, and will have times, in which they have to spend more than they bring in. Do you really think Apple was in the black from its first year on? It really cannot be simplified like you imply. Ummm.... no I don't but last I checked this country was formed a little over 200 years ago.... so your example does not make sense. Also, when a business is experiencing a hard time they tend to get their house in order by cutting the spending or they will not last. Our govt. thinks it is okay to not even have a budget......Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #13 June 5, 2012 Quote Not sure how you see our govt. running things like a "family budget" or like a business. Last time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. It really is not all that complex but the left loves to present it that way. "Its really not that complex guys" Just 2 small variables screws up your claim: 1) My debt is your income // Your debt is my income. 2) http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us/ Considering that the rich and the investors are parking their money (bringing U.S Gov bonds to a historical low), it is pretty irresponsible for the Gov to do absolutely nothing with that money. Money is essentially clogged in the economy through the zero-bound and you're essentially suggesting to make it worse. Remember: even the smallest countries sells to itself at 80% (the U.S much more). No business is ever like that. If you are truly serious about economics and want to rely on emperical datas (than "oh its just leftist conspiracy"), then read about Japan in the 1990s. Its a fair example of what a zero-bound economy is and how to solve it. Quote Not sure how you see our govt. running things like a "family budget" or like a business. Last time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. It really is not all that complex but the left loves to present it that way. This feels like the equivalent of a newbie skydiver saying: "I want to get a Velocity 111 because swooping is cool". -Dumb, refuses to look at datas and eventually going be a wreck. (oh wait, that's already happening with Germany and the EU) Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #14 June 5, 2012 Quote Quote Not sure how you see our govt. running things like a "family budget" or like a business. Last time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. It really is not all that complex but the left loves to present it that way. "Its really not that complex guys" Just 2 small variables screws up your claim: 1) My debt is your income // Your debt is my income. 2) http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us/ Considering that the rich and the investors are parking their money (bringing U.S Gov bonds to a historical low), it is pretty irresponsible for the Gov to do absolutely nothing with that money. Money is essentially clogged in the economy through the zero-bound and you're essentially suggesting to make it worse. Remember: even the smallest countries sells to itself at 80% (the U.S much more). No business is ever like that. If you are truly serious about economics and want to rely on emperical datas (than "oh its just leftist conspiracy"), then read about Japan in the 1990s. Its a fair example of what a zero-bound economy is and how to solve it. Quote Not sure how you see our govt. running things like a "family budget" or like a business. Last time I checked that meant not spending more than you bring in. It really is not all that complex but the left loves to present it that way. This feels like the equivalent of a newbie skydiver saying: "I want to get a Velocity 111 because swooping is cool". -Dumb, refuses to look at datas and eventually going be a wreck. (oh wait, that's already happening with Germany and the EU) Cheers! Shc What you said does not even make sense. The businesses (mine included) are right to hold on to money bc they need to do so with what the govt. is or is not doing. Actually ... never mind. There is no point in explaining further bc you have your "beliefs" and there is no point in arguing. Nothing will come of it.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #15 June 5, 2012 Quote What you said does not even make sense. The businesses (mine included) are right to hold on to money bc they need to do so with what the govt. is or is not doing. Actually ... never mind. There is no point in explaining further bc you have your "beliefs" and there is no point in arguing. Nothing will come of it. You are absolutely missing the point. This isin't about whether businesses can hold on to their money or not. Of course, they can. Is that good for the economy? Absolutely not. Private debt sector hit a peak in 2008 and it was only since that time it has started to "pay it off". If the Private Sector is busy paying its debt, then someone else has to come up and pick up the demand (which would obviously go to the Public). A zero-bound economy cannot sustain both a Public and Private cuts- or the debt from a purely fiscal term will rise. This isin't a belief- this is real facts from emperical datas and real-life datas. Ask anyone from RBC Capital MArkets to Citigroup's IB- they'l tell that our problems are demand-related. Business surveys as to why they are not expanding: "Not enough sales"... not enough demand. Like I said, if you really want to learn more about economics, look at the Japanese economy in 1990. Cheers! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #16 June 5, 2012 QuoteQuote What you said does not even make sense. The businesses (mine included) are right to hold on to money bc they need to do so with what the govt. is or is not doing. Actually ... never mind. There is no point in explaining further bc you have your "beliefs" and there is no point in arguing. Nothing will come of it. You are absolutely missing the point. This isin't about whether businesses can hold on to their money or not. Of course, they can. Is that good for the economy? Absolutely not. Private debt sector hit a peak in 2008 and it was only since that time it has started to "pay it off". If the Private Sector is busy paying its debt, then someone else has to come up and pick up the demand (which would obviously go to the Public). A zero-bound economy cannot sustain both a Public and Private cuts- or the debt from a purely fiscal term will rise. This isin't a belief- this is real facts from emperical datas and real-life datas. Ask anyone from RBC Capital MArkets to Citigroup's IB- they'l tell that our problems are demand-related. Business surveys as to why they are not expanding: "Not enough sales"... not enough demand. Like I said, if you really want to learn more about economics, look at the Japanese economy in 1990. Cheers! Shc I have been staying out of SC for a reason and I guess I had a brain fart and jumped in again. What you are saying is a view nothing more. I just do not have the time or the energy to get in to it bc your mind will not change. I will take my econ. degree and lessons as a business owner and form my opinions. You are free to form your own.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShcShc11 0 #17 June 5, 2012 Quote Quote Quote What you said does not even make sense. The businesses (mine included) are right to hold on to money bc they need to do so with what the govt. is or is not doing. Actually ... never mind. There is no point in explaining further bc you have your "beliefs" and there is no point in arguing. Nothing will come of it. You are absolutely missing the point. This isin't about whether businesses can hold on to their money or not. Of course, they can. Is that good for the economy? Absolutely not. Private debt sector hit a peak in 2008 and it was only since that time it has started to "pay it off". If the Private Sector is busy paying its debt, then someone else has to come up and pick up the demand (which would obviously go to the Public). A zero-bound economy cannot sustain both a Public and Private cuts- or the debt from a purely fiscal term will rise. This isin't a belief- this is real facts from emperical datas and real-life datas. Ask anyone from RBC Capital MArkets to Citigroup's IB- they'l tell that our problems are demand-related. Business surveys as to why they are not expanding: "Not enough sales"... not enough demand. Like I said, if you really want to learn more about economics, look at the Japanese economy in 1990. Cheers! Shc I have been staying out of SC for a reason and I guess I had a brain fart and jumped in again. What you are saying is a view nothing more. I just do not have the time or the energy to get in to it bc your mind will not change. I will take my econ. degree and lessons as a business owner and form my opinions. You are free to form your own. That`s OK. We'l discuss another time. When you say ''its simple'', it just showed a very basic lack of knowledge how a country`s economy works. A business does not function anything like an economy. Its OK and I'm fine that you're more pro-Romney but do it for the right reason; not for ''oh he's a businessman so he knows about the economy''. Lastly, if you can bring real datas, then my mind could very well change but the studies (whether they are studies on Ireland, U.K, Japan 1990s, Estonia, EU Crisis, US 1930s, etc...) clearly state that austerity is not the right path even in purely fiscal terms. Cheers and wish you a very nice week! Shc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #18 June 6, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote What you said does not even make sense. The businesses (mine included) are right to hold on to money bc they need to do so with what the govt. is or is not doing. Actually ... never mind. There is no point in explaining further bc you have your "beliefs" and there is no point in arguing. Nothing will come of it. You are absolutely missing the point. This isin't about whether businesses can hold on to their money or not. Of course, they can. Is that good for the economy? Absolutely not. Private debt sector hit a peak in 2008 and it was only since that time it has started to "pay it off". If the Private Sector is busy paying its debt, then someone else has to come up and pick up the demand (which would obviously go to the Public). A zero-bound economy cannot sustain both a Public and Private cuts- or the debt from a purely fiscal term will rise. This isin't a belief- this is real facts from emperical datas and real-life datas. Ask anyone from RBC Capital MArkets to Citigroup's IB- they'l tell that our problems are demand-related. Business surveys as to why they are not expanding: "Not enough sales"... not enough demand. Like I said, if you really want to learn more about economics, look at the Japanese economy in 1990. Cheers! Shc I have been staying out of SC for a reason and I guess I had a brain fart and jumped in again. What you are saying is a view nothing more. I just do not have the time or the energy to get in to it bc your mind will not change. I will take my econ. degree and lessons as a business owner and form my opinions. You are free to form your own. That`s OK. We'l discuss another time. When you say ''its simple'', it just showed a very basic lack of knowledge how a country`s economy works. A business does not function anything like an economy. Its OK and I'm fine that you're more pro-Romney but do it for the right reason; not for ''oh he's a businessman so he knows about the economy''. Lastly, if you can bring real datas, then my mind could very well change but the studies (whether they are studies on Ireland, U.K, Japan 1990s, Estonia, EU Crisis, US 1930s, etc...) clearly state that austerity is not the right path even in purely fiscal terms. Cheers and wish you a very nice week! Shc Using the word "simple" does not show a lack of knowledge. "Simple" is a relative term.... what is simple to one person may not be simple to others. Perhaps if we ever run in to one another at a boogie we can discuss this but I really do not want to get in to all of it over dz.com. I promised myself I would not be doing that anymore. BTW.... Canada? So you do not even have a vote..... good to know Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #19 June 6, 2012 And there's still more from Clinton yesterday, too. He's so doing this on purpose. I'm sure we should stay tuned for more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
