Citizens United and "voter fraud"

[funjumper101 15]

This was very well put -

So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally -in a country where 40% of the people don't even vote?!? Talk about Kafkaesque...

Puts quite a lot into the correct perspective, if one has the capability for rational thought.

[davjohns 1]

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This was very well put -

So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally -in a country where 40% of the people don't even vote?!? Talk about Kafkaesque...

Puts quite a lot into the correct perspective, if one has the capability for rational thought.

I agree that it gives perspective. It tends to show a bias, but is fundamentally useful. Describing the threat as 'miniscule' indicates an understanding of how bad the problem is...which we don't. Theoretically, ten percent of the country could be voting and another ten percent could be voting for themselves and another forty percent. The forty percent we think don't vote could just represent the number the frauds haven't gotten around to voting for yet. :) We just don't know because we don't require ID.

However, the point is well taken. We have plenty of big problems in this country. Voter fraud is only one and certainly not the most important. Personally, I would think a balanced budget would be much nicer. Hell, I'd be impressed if the feds could just pass a budget before the beginning of the fiscal year it's implemented in. They haven't done that in 14 years. It's the one thing they know they have to do every year, yet they can't get it done. Makes you wonder about their competence to handle more complex issues like marriage, where life begins, religion and such.

In the big scheme of things, voter fraud probably doesn't make the top ten. But it is important.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I believe this is the first post you have ever made that didn't contain RWC (whatever that is supposed to mean).

[funjumper101 15]

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This was very well put -

So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally -in a country where 40% of the people don't even vote?!? Talk about Kafkaesque...

Puts quite a lot into the correct perspective, if one has the capability for rational thought.

I agree that it gives perspective. It tends to show a bias, but is fundamentally useful. Describing the threat as 'miniscule' indicates an understanding of how bad the problem is...which we don't. Theoretically, ten percent of the country could be voting and another ten percent could be voting for themselves and another forty percent. The forty percent we think don't vote could just represent the number the frauds haven't gotten around to voting for yet. :) We just don't know because we don't require ID.

However, the point is well taken. We have plenty of big problems in this country. Voter fraud is only one and certainly not the most important. Personally, I would think a balanced budget would be much nicer. Hell, I'd be impressed if the feds could just pass a budget before the beginning of the fiscal year it's implemented in. They haven't done that in 14 years. It's the one thing they know they have to do every year, yet they can't get it done. Makes you wonder about their competence to handle more complex issues like marriage, where life begins, religion and such.

In the big scheme of things, voter fraud probably doesn't make the top ten. But it is important.

ShrubCo wasted 70 million dollars and 7 years having the issue of voter fraud investigated. Didn't come up with much of anything.

Right Wing Conservatives are leading this country down the toilet. Their inability to sort out truth from fiction (birtherism, tea party bullshit that is funded by billionaires, etc) and their selfish short sightedness is totally against everything that made this country great. They are so scared of everything, and so easily led, that they support policies and politicians that really hurt the average citizen. They support policies that concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the 1%. The amount of outside money that has been shoveled out in Wisconsin to prop up Walker is Citizens United in all its glory. Massive FALSE advertising campaigns, enriching the corporate media spreading complete and utter lies, is happening right now. With the full support of conservatives. Absolutely disgusting. The RWCs are quite proud of the perversion of the elections that are and will occur.

[mnealtx 0]

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ShrubCo wasted 70 million dollars and 7 years having the issue of voter fraud investigated. Didn't come up with much of anything.

They pretty much *had* to investigate after the Dems howled about 'vote fraud'.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[DaVinci 0]

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So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally

The difference is actually quite simple.... Corporations do not vote.

The fact you are getting upset that corporations can 'influence' elections when most people vote party line anyway is funny.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The fact you are getting upset that corporations can 'influence' elections when most people vote party line anyway is funny.

You don't think money influences elections?

[rushmc 23]

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The fact you are getting upset that corporations can 'influence' elections when most people vote party line anyway is funny.

You don't think money influences elections?

To a point yes

And it is legal

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[marks2065 0]

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This was very well put -

So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally -in a country where 40% of the people don't even vote?!? Talk about Kafkaesque...

Puts quite a lot into the correct perspective, if one has the capability for rational thought.

I agree that it gives perspective. It tends to show a bias, but is fundamentally useful. Describing the threat as 'miniscule' indicates an understanding of how bad the problem is...which we don't. Theoretically, ten percent of the country could be voting and another ten percent could be voting for themselves and another forty percent. The forty percent we think don't vote could just represent the number the frauds haven't gotten around to voting for yet. :) We just don't know because we don't require ID.

However, the point is well taken. We have plenty of big problems in this country. Voter fraud is only one and certainly not the most important. Personally, I would think a balanced budget would be much nicer. Hell, I'd be impressed if the feds could just pass a budget before the beginning of the fiscal year it's implemented in. They haven't done that in 14 years. It's the one thing they know they have to do every year, yet they can't get it done. Makes you wonder about their competence to handle more complex issues like marriage, where life begins, religion and such.

In the big scheme of things, voter fraud probably doesn't make the top ten. But it is important.

ShrubCo wasted 70 million dollars and 7 years having the issue of voter fraud investigated. Didn't come up with much of anything.

Right Wing Conservatives are leading this country down the toilet. Their inability to sort out truth from fiction (birtherism, tea party bullshit that is funded by billionaires, etc) and their selfish short sightedness is totally against everything that made this country great. They are so scared of everything, and so easily led, that they support policies and politicians that really hurt the average citizen. They support policies that concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the 1%. The amount of outside money that has been shoveled out in Wisconsin to prop up Walker is Citizens United in all its glory. Massive FALSE advertising campaigns, enriching the corporate media spreading complete and utter lies, is happening right now. With the full support of conservatives. Absolutely disgusting. The RWCs are quite proud of the perversion of the elections that are and will occur.

What has been said of walker that is false? please list. And your hero Obama spending us into bankrupcy is ok?

[rushmc 23]

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This was very well put -

So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally -in a country where 40% of the people don't even vote?!? Talk about Kafkaesque...

Puts quite a lot into the correct perspective, if one has the capability for rational thought.

I agree that it gives perspective. It tends to show a bias, but is fundamentally useful. Describing the threat as 'miniscule' indicates an understanding of how bad the problem is...which we don't. Theoretically, ten percent of the country could be voting and another ten percent could be voting for themselves and another forty percent. The forty percent we think don't vote could just represent the number the frauds haven't gotten around to voting for yet. :) We just don't know because we don't require ID.

However, the point is well taken. We have plenty of big problems in this country. Voter fraud is only one and certainly not the most important. Personally, I would think a balanced budget would be much nicer. Hell, I'd be impressed if the feds could just pass a budget before the beginning of the fiscal year it's implemented in. They haven't done that in 14 years. It's the one thing they know they have to do every year, yet they can't get it done. Makes you wonder about their competence to handle more complex issues like marriage, where life begins, religion and such.

In the big scheme of things, voter fraud probably doesn't make the top ten. But it is important.

ShrubCo wasted 70 million dollars and 7 years having the issue of voter fraud investigated. Didn't come up with much of anything.

Right Wing Conservatives are leading this country down the toilet. Their inability to sort out truth from fiction (birtherism, tea party bullshit that is funded by billionaires, etc) and their selfish short sightedness is totally against everything that made this country great. They are so scared of everything, and so easily led, that they support policies and politicians that really hurt the average citizen. They support policies that concentrate power and wealth in the hands of the 1%. The amount of outside money that has been shoveled out in Wisconsin to prop up Walker is Citizens United in all its glory. Massive FALSE advertising campaigns, enriching the corporate media spreading complete and utter lies, is happening right now. With the full support of conservatives. Absolutely disgusting. The RWCs are quite proud of the perversion of the elections that are and will occur.

What has been said of walker that is false? please list. And your hero Obama spending us into bankrupcy is ok?

And I guess non-us billionaire (IE:Soros) are ok

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[RonD1120 62]

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This was very well put -

So let me get this straight: billions of dollars given to politicians from individuals and corporations are not a threat to democracy, the threat comes from a minuscule percent of people who might vote illegally -in a country where 40% of the people don't even vote?!? Talk about Kafkaesque...

Puts quite a lot into the correct perspective, if one has the capability for rational thought.

Well, democracy influenced by donations from a free market economy makes more sense to me than democracy influenced by illegal voters just seeking various forms of welfare. The latter is simply antithetical to the former.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[mnealtx 0]

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The fact you are getting upset that corporations can 'influence' elections when most people vote party line anyway is funny.

You don't think money influences elections?

See attached. Funny how FJ01 doesn't mention it in his little screed, though.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[davjohns 1]

That's pretty interesting. I notice Teacher's Unions and Lawyers don't even appear as a blip in the Republican category. I was a bit surprised unions gave anything at all to Republicans. All of the industries seemed to prefer Republicans.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[headoverheels 334]

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I was a bit surprised unions gave anything at all to Republicans.

Buying Congressmen, not supporting them because of views they already have.

[davjohns 1]

Well, duh! :)

I had the same thought when I saw it. I'm sure it was very specific candidates that they expected to win handily.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[rushmc 23]

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Well, duh! :)

I had the same thought when I saw it. I'm sure it was very specific candidates that they expected to win handily.

For public sector unions and the Democrats, this is a simple money laundering scheme.

Because of the donation and add money involved, why do you think the Dems and the unions are fighting so hard in WI?

Which btw, is why that vote, this Tuesday, to try and recall Walker, is a vote just about as big as the one in Nov

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DaVinci 0]

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You don't think money influences elections?

It CAN, that does not mean it DOES. I seriously doubt that any amount of money spent would get me to vote for a true 'Communist Party' candidate.

Money will only bring DATA. People will still have to interpret that data and decide. Others will vote party line no matter what.

[funjumper101 15]

Voter Fraud was committed by Mitt Romney and Ann Coulter.

How come the reich wing conservatives don't push for their indictment?

The stench of reich wing conservatism is overpowering at times.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-20/politics/31371937_1_ann-romney-massachusetts-governor-residency

http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=4380