$200k of debt and here is your paper.

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Yep, and engineer will make 100k+, A Liberal arts major 30-40k *maybe* in most cases.

someday you might venture out into the real world.

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Yep, and engineer will make 100k+, A Liberal arts major 30-40k *maybe* in most cases.

someday you might venture out into the real world.

Average income of an engineer is a solid $100k after about 10 years of work. Liberal arts folks are a dime a dozen.

However that said more and more engineering jobs are being sent off to SEA due to the simple fact that engineers in SEA are more affordable. So soon even engineers will only make $45k.

And to think a new BMW 1 is that...$45k!
HA! Oh we are so FUCKED! IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[billvon 3,120]

>And to think a new BMW 1 is that...$45k! HA! Oh we are so FUCKED! IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!

I know! I mean, how much more fucked can you be than not being able to afford a BMW!

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>And to think a new BMW 1 is that...$45k! HA! Oh we are so FUCKED! IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!

I know! I mean, how much more fucked can you be than not being able to afford a BMW!

If after 10 years of work you are not able to afford a nice car for yourself...oods are you can't even afford to take care of your family or put your rug rat snot nosed kid into one of those $200k schools!

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

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It is called "investment". You don't invest in things that do not bring in a return.

Engineering - Yes.
Accounting - Yes.
English lit - No.

Why would the govt back a loan that is never going to be paid back?

Isn't the market much better equipped to make those types of decisions?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[billvon 3,120]

>If after 10 years of work you are not able to afford a nice car for
>yourself...oods are you can't even afford to take care of your family or put
>your rug rat snot nosed kid into one of those $200k schools!

I guess. I wonder how my family did it.

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>And to think a new BMW 1 is that...$45k! HA! Oh we are so FUCKED! IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!

I know! I mean, how much more fucked can you be than not being able to afford a BMW!

If after 10 years of work you are not able to afford a nice car for yourself...oods are you can't even afford to take care of your family or put your rug rat snot nosed kid into one of those $200k schools!

You need to git yer ass down to the Occupy Movement. You sound just like one of them.

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>If after 10 years of work you are not able to afford a nice car for
>yourself...oods are you can't even afford to take care of your family or put
>your rug rat snot nosed kid into one of those $200k schools!

I guess. I wonder how my family did it.

How much did your education cost when you were at university?

I'll give you a hint, for me in 2002 it was....$15k a year.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[billvon 3,120]

>How much did your education cost when you were at university?

$145,000 (in 2012 dollars.)

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Depends. If it's in my 401k? Probably in the engineer. If it's in a friend who has wanted all her life to be an artist, and is a damn good one already? Might go with the artist.

But without the additional knowledge, the engineer is the better choice financially.

The govt should invest in things that are lower risks. You as an individual however are free to invest YOUR money in whomever you want.

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You said that the government should not invest in things that do not bring in a good return. Trains (specifically Amtrak) bring in money through ticket sales. Roads bring in far less via tolls

Roads stimulate more commerce than Amtrak... Your analogy fails again.

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from this ^ post down to the latest is a great example of the flaw of social politics


everyone is arguing about who should get the freebies and who shouldn't.

Loan is not equal to freebie... But I get your point.

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How about staying out of it and letting individuals decide what they want and they can pay for it or get loans as the market allows.

That would be great except the US trails the rest of the 1st World Countries when it comes to making and keeping engineers.

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someday you might venture out into the real world.

How cute... The best you can do is personal attacks.

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Isn't the market much better equipped to make those types of decisions?

Yes. But unfortunately we have a lack of engineers and the govt already backs loans. The best we can hope for is to limit the taxpayers risk.

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How about staying out of it and letting individuals decide what they want and they can pay for it or get loans as the market allows.

That would be great except the US trails the rest of the 1st World Countries when it comes to making and keeping engineers.

if they weren't subsidized so easily, maybe the students make better choices for their futures

if the universities weren't subsidized so much (directly and indirectly) maybe the price would come down and more people could afford it

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,120]

>Roads stimulate more commerce than Amtrak... Your analogy fails again.

Aha! You have now changed directions. Instead of "investing in things that bring a good return" you now want to "invest in things that stimulate commerce." That's a fair point - and why it's not as simple as money you spend vs. money you make. (And that's also why things like incentives for solar power work, even though you don't get a direct return.)

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>Roads stimulate more commerce than Amtrak... Your analogy fails again.

Aha! You have now changed directions. Instead of "investing in things that bring a good return" you now want to "invest in things that stimulate commerce."

No, still on track.... You however have tried to derail my comments twice now.

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>(And that's also why things like incentives for solar power work, even though you don't get a direct return.)

sure you do - you give your buddies who own a crappy failed solar power company a LOT of money and they remain your friends for life and will work to vote you in next time

if you don't call that a 'direct' return, then I can't help you

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,120]

>sure you do - you give your buddies who own a crappy failed solar power
>company a LOT of money and they remain your friends for life and will
>work to vote you in next time.

Yep, that happens. It also gives us one of the few industries where we are exporting to China more than we are importing from them.

[billvon 3,120]

>No, still on track....

OK - so you support the government investing in things that bring a good return AND in things that stimulate commerce. And again, that's fine - as long as you are OK with others using that same philosophy.

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someday you might venture out into the real world.

How cute... The best you can do is personal attacks.

not much more to say when you post nonsense like you did. Your grasp of salary potential and achievement based on major is simplistic at best. I live in a region with hundreds of thousands of counterpoints to your claims.

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...all of them are unfortunate enough to be middle class.

Is it really unfortunate to be middle class?

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>No, still on track....

OK - so you support the government investing in things that bring a good return AND in things that stimulate commerce.

Third time..... I have to wonder why you always try to make an argument that was not made?

You do realize that encouraging commerce, if it worked, would be a return right?

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not much more to say when you post nonsense like you did. Your grasp of salary potential and achievement based on major is simplistic at best.

Yep, personal attacks seems to be the best you can do. I see you have been unable to debate the claims and now have to resort to the only play you have left.

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not much more to say when you post nonsense like you did. Your grasp of salary potential and achievement based on major is simplistic at best.

Yep, personal attacks seems to be the best you can do. I see you have been unable to debate the claims and now have to resort to the only play you have left.

I pay more, much more, in taxes than you claim I should be able to make. And as I told you, this region has hundreds of thousands of others in the same boat. Ergo, you're making shit up. You can't defend numbers you pulled out of your ass - admit it.

[billvon 3,120]

>Third time..... I have to wonder why you always try to make an argument that was not made?

Followed by:

>You do realize that encouraging commerce, if it worked, would be a return right?

So you are not arguing that it would be a return?