Most Christians accept evolution

[RonD1120 62]

I read all this wonderful scientific stuff. It makes little to no sense to me for one major reason. It does not affect my life in a positive way that I am able to perceive.

However, when I read my Bible and do my morning devotion I have guidance and positive thought for the day.

Abstract knowledge vs. comfort or peace of mind, I choose the latter.

I wonder what all these atheistic, scientific, mathematical, systems networking, programming geniuses do when they have marital problems, lose their jobs, find out their kids have a serious disease or some other crisis of health, family, employment or social interaction. I guess they have an app for that.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I wonder what all these atheistic, scientific, mathematical, systems networking, programming geniuses do when they have marital problems, lose their jobs, find out their kids have a serious disease or some other crisis of health, family, employment or social interaction. I guess they have an app for that.

They look for guidance and stability with their families and friends just like believers... Sometimes they may see a therapist or a psychologist.
They take their problems into their own hands to improve upon their situation just like anybody that has faith, the motivation just differs.
I have yet to see Jesus come down from heaven to take a drinkers booze from him. The drinker stops drinking by his own decision. If he needs the fear of hell to stop drinking, then this is nothing but a psychological trick. The Atheist will stop for sole reason to improve his life and the life of the people close to him.


I really don't think that reading the bible will make humanity as a whole any better as hundreds of wars, genocide and murder in the name of the bible have proven again and again.

I am sure that faith in the bible has helped some people improve their lives, it just pains me to see that is essentially due to fear.

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Abstract knowledge vs. comfort or peace of mind, I choose the latter.

I wonder why you think that those are mutually exclusive.....

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The drinker stops drinking by his own decision. If he needs the fear of hell to stop drinking, then this is nothing but a psychological trick. The Atheist will stop for sole reason to improve his life and the life of the people close to him.

Very true, it's a concept that exists through all areas of atheism vs Christianity.

Many Christians believe that God is required to be kind and thoughtful to others, and they do it because it's what God tells them to do. Where as many atheists will do it because they enjoy making others happy and being thoughtful makes them feel good. Now tell me which one is more admirable, I can tell you it's not the one who is pressured into being good. And this concept stretches far, along almost everything that Christians say they do because it's what God wants.

If you have a child, would you rather he grow up on regular discipline and have the character traits that allow him to be a well-behaved, thoughtful and respectful child through his own realizations.

Or would you want a kid that you need to threaten daily with promises of being grounded and punished, and yell at him - and then have him refrain from being ill-mannered, badly behaved and disrespectful merely because he is scared of his punishment and someone is telling him not to.

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Abstract knowledge vs. comfort or peace of mind, I choose the latter.

So your religion has NOTHING to do with truth and everything to do with you feeling the way you want to feel. Well as long as you're okay with that... It is your life.

[RonD1120 62]

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Abstract knowledge vs. comfort or peace of mind, I choose the latter.

I wonder why you think that those are mutually exclusive.....

I have a low aptitude for the former.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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Abstract knowledge vs. comfort or peace of mind, I choose the latter.

So your religion has NOTHING to do with truth and everything to do with you feeling the way you want to feel. Well as long as you're okay with that... It is your life.

I have to live with my emotions. The rest is just mind stuff.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 891]

Ignorance IS bliss.

[RonD1120 62]

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Ignorance IS bliss.

It works in all areas of life. Denial of sin provides comfort.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I read all this wonderful scientific stuff. It makes little to no sense to me for one major reason. It does not affect my life in a positive way that I am able to perceive.

Perhaps the next time you ride your motorcycle, you can reflect on the scientific minds who made such a thing possible. Assuming that riding affects your life in a positive way?

You don't have to give up the Bible to appreciate science. And if you're not interested in science, there is no reason to waste your time trying to understand it. But if you stop to think about it, there are probably a lot of things that make your life more enjoyable or more comfortable, which are a result of the work of those who did choose to study science/math, etc. (And I think most of those people are studying it because they enjoy it, not because they're trying to disprove "God," or anything along those lines.)

I know you've mentioned the DSM-IV a few times, which I assume you used when you worked in the field? This was largely put together by scientific-type people. Does it also make "little to no sense" to you? Do you think that people who study psychology/psychiatry can be of help to others who are dealing with life problems?

[normiss 891]

Whatever works for you Ron.

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Ignorance IS bliss.

It works in all areas of life. Denial of sin provides comfort.

I thought about this for a while, this makes absolutely no sense in this context whatsoever.... Where do you find sin ?

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I read all this wonderful scientific stuff. It makes little to no sense to me for one major reason. It does not affect my life in a positive way that I am able to perceive.

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It is very clear that you can make no sense of science. Your reason, however, is completely invalid since you have to be using the products of science on a daily basis since your ability to post here shows that you are not a hermit living in the wilderness.

I strongly suspect that you have:

Electricity
A motor vehicle
Clean water supply
Use of gas/oil
Use of semiconductors
Use of piezo-electrics, ferroelectrics and ferromagnetics
Communication services
High strength materials
If you really skydive, aircraft
and the list goes on and on.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RonD1120 62]

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I read all this wonderful scientific stuff. It makes little to no sense to me for one major reason. It does not affect my life in a positive way that I am able to perceive.

Perhaps the next time you ride your motorcycle, you can reflect on the scientific minds who made such a thing possible. Assuming that riding affects your life in a positive way?

You don't have to give up the Bible to appreciate science. And if you're not interested in science, there is no reason to waste your time trying to understand it. But if you stop to think about it, there are probably a lot of things that make your life more enjoyable or more comfortable, which are a result of the work of those who did choose to study science/math, etc. (And I think most of those people are studying it because they enjoy it, not because they're trying to disprove "God," or anything along those lines.)

I know you've mentioned the DSM-IV a few times, which I assume you used when you worked in the field? This was largely put together by scientific-type people. Does it also make "little to no sense" to you? Do you think that people who study psychology/psychiatry can be of help to others who are dealing with life problems?

Motorcycle riding is like sport parachuting. When fully engaged my mind is aware of my environment. It is not on the scientific engineering that made my ride or my skydive possible.

The DSM-IV was compiled by Licensed Clinical Social Workers. The purpose was to develop a common base for diagnosis and billing. It says nothing about administration of treatment.

Do I think psychologists, psychotherapists, psychiatrists can be of help to people dealing with life problems? Of course I do. I don't understand how you could have thought otherwise.

I know that I incorrectly assume that anyone who attacks or criticizes me has read every single one of my posts. I assure you, when it comes to counseling all doors are viable. I am an eclectic counselor.

I prefer Christian based pastoral type counseling. Now that I am retired I can pursue that path with more vigor. And, my clients are primarily Christian.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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Ignorance IS bliss.

It works in all areas of life. Denial of sin provides comfort.

I thought about this for a while, this makes absolutely no sense in this context whatsoever.... Where do you find sin ?

It is described in the one book you dare not read.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,107]

>I wonder what all these atheistic, scientific, mathematical, systems networking,
>programming geniuses do when they have marital problems, lose their jobs, find out
>their kids have a serious disease or some other crisis of health, family, employment or
>social interaction.

Something similar to what these religious types do when they get cancer, or need to fly across the country, or want a picture of their kids, or want to skydive, or want to call their loved ones, or are hungry, or want to work. They rely on the technology that makes no sense to them - while telling themselves it does not affect their lives in any way.

[RonD1120 62]

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I read all this wonderful scientific stuff. It makes little to no sense to me for one major reason. It does not affect my life in a positive way that I am able to perceive.

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It is very clear that you can make no sense of science. Your reason, however, is completely invalid since you have to be using the products of science on a daily basis since your ability to post here shows that you are not a hermit living in the wilderness.

I strongly suspect that you have:

Electricity
A motor vehicle
Clean water supply
Use of gas/oil
Use of semiconductors
Use of piezo-electrics, ferroelectrics and ferromagnetics
Communication services
High strength materials
If you really skydive, aircraft
and the list goes on and on.

Of course it is not valid. I live a spiritual world. Your above list are things I just accept. I trust the Lord to show me how to use them that's all they mean to me. The quality of my life is not defined by them. Useful as they are, they are not mandatory.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Motorcycle riding is like sport parachuting. When fully engaged my mind is aware of my environment. It is not on the scientific engineering that made my ride or my skydive possible.

My point was that these things would not be possible without "scientific stuff." So maybe "scientific stuff" does affect your life in a positive way?

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Do I think psychologists, psychotherapists, psychiatrists can be of help to people dealing with life problems? Of course I do. I don't understand how you could have thought otherwise.

I didn't think otherwise. I was asking you a question, and I assumed your answer would be yes. And it's an example of how "science" can be used to help people deal with the types of problems you mentioned. (Not saying it's the only way to deal with those problems.)

[normiss 891]

Don't you have your own aircraft too?

[RonD1120 62]

I've been an air traffic controller and a sport parachutist, never a pilot.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[billvon 3,107]

>I've been an air traffic controller and a sport parachutist, never a pilot.

Cool. Good thing all those atheistic, scientific, mathematical, systems networking and programming geniuses provided you with a job and the gear to make skydives with!

[normiss 891]

Sorry man - I'm confused.

I thought you had a small sport plane.

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Dude, if you really want to understand this stuff then start studying particle physics. Billvon cannot explain this all to you. You are currently using a computer or a smart phone to use the Internet and you don't understand every aspect of how that technology works but it undeniably works. Just because the universe is not simple enough for you to understand does not mean that a god automatically is the answer.

Is it not a strange confidence that the number of religious people in a given country or state is exactly anti proportional to the level of education....

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I read all this wonderful scientific stuff. It makes little to no sense to me for one major reason. It does not affect my life in a positive way that I am able to perceive.

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It is very clear that you can make no sense of science. Your reason, however, is completely invalid since you have to be using the products of science on a daily basis since your ability to post here shows that you are not a hermit living in the wilderness.

I strongly suspect that you have:

Electricity
A motor vehicle
Clean water supply
Use of gas/oil
Use of semiconductors
Use of piezo-electrics, ferroelectrics and ferromagnetics
Communication services
High strength materials
If you really skydive, aircraft
and the list goes on and on.

Of course it is not valid. I live a spiritual world. Your above list are things I just accept. I trust the Lord to show me how to use them that's all they mean to me. The quality of my life is not defined by them. Useful as they are, they are not mandatory.

What a lame-ass post! I think you are losing it.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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I've been an air traffic controller...

Did you use radar?

Are you using a computer right now?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 2,146]

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I've been an air traffic controller...

Did you use radar?

Are you using a computer right now?

If so, he didn't need any instructions on how to use them except from God.

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I trust the Lord to show me how to use them

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.