jakee 1,581 #76 June 1, 2012 QuoteI've lost interest in such adolescence. Then go back to having adult conversations with your imaginary friend.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #77 June 1, 2012 >Most Christians accept evolution That's been my experience as well, and that's a good thing. As Gould suggests, most people don't have a problem treating science as science and religion as religion - and don't have a problem separating the two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #78 June 1, 2012 Quote If evolution is a fact, I want to know why it stopped? Evolution stopped? Did I miss a memo?I did have a very interesting conversation with a woman on a plane today. I don't know her religious background, but I'd make the guess she was a Christian conservative. She is entirely convinced that the "earth weighs more today than it did 1000 years ago, because people are much, much bigger than they used to be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #79 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhy do you have to know everything? And as I said...I don't "test" it. I live it, and it works. Why do you have faith in and believe in God? Why do you have faith in and believe the Bible is the word of God? I believe faith itself is a gift from God...It seems to me that in order to exercise it you have to have a need for God. This seems to typically happen when one is completely broken and stripped of most pride...a clean slate so to speak, so as to begin life anew. It has given me happiness that I was never able to find in life despite all that I had. It showed be how to be happy with nothing so everything gained is a bonus that can be appreciated and not taken for granted. It has shown me the importance of self reflection and the confidence to overcome anything...even myself and my narcissistic carnality. This list is hardly exhaustive...it's a personal thing and YMMV. The hardest part I think is "dying" to yourself...it will always be a challenge for us to get over ourselves. It's very difficult to have a contrite humble and sincere heart that is necessary for it all to work...it almost goes against our nature. I don't even think we have initial control over it...that too I think is a gift from God. It is then up to us to fight pride by cultivating humility in our lives, but nobody wants to hear that. Galatians 5:17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #80 June 1, 2012 QuoteI believe faith itself is a gift from God...It seems to me that in order to exercise it you have to have a need for God. This seems to typically happen when one is completely broken and stripped of most pride...a clean slate so to speak, so as to begin life anew. So in a round about way you are saying you have to believe in god before you can believe in god?? Faith is belief with out evidence. QuoteIt has given me happiness that I was never able to find in life despite all that I had. It showed be how to be happy with nothing so everything gained is a bonus that can be appreciated and not taken for granted. It has shown me the importance of self reflection and the confidence to overcome anything...even myself and my narcissistic carnality. Why do you think you couldn't be happy with out your belief in the Christian God? Do you think that no one can be happy with out believing in the Christian God? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #81 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy do you have to know everything? And as I said...I don't "test" it. I live it, and it works. Why do you have faith in and believe in God? Why do you have faith in and believe the Bible is the word of God? I believe faith itself is a gift from God...It seems to me that in order to exercise it you have to have a need for God. This seems to typically happen when one is completely broken and stripped of most pride...a clean slate so to speak, so as to begin life anew. It has given me happiness that I was never able to find in life despite all that I had. It showed be how to be happy with nothing so everything gained is a bonus that can be appreciated and not taken for granted. It has shown me the importance of self reflection and the confidence to overcome anything...even myself and my narcissistic carnality. This list is hardly exhaustive...it's a personal thing and YMMV. The hardest part I think is "dying" to yourself...it will always be a challenge for us to get over ourselves. It's very difficult to have a contrite humble and sincere heart that is necessary for it all to work...it almost goes against our nature. I don't even think we have initial control over it...that too I think is a gift from God. It is then up to us to fight pride by cultivating humility in our lives, but nobody wants to hear that. Galatians 5:17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. It's great that you have been able to make this personal journey, but why do you think you couldn't have had these personal breakthroughs without religion? You can be an even stronger person without religion. I agree it is very unnatural to surrender yourself and your freedom of thought to a system of dogmatic control. Why do it? You might be surprised how happy you can be without the burden of religious belief. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #82 June 1, 2012 Quote Quote I believe faith itself is a gift from God...It seems to me that in order to exercise it you have to have a need for God. This seems to typically happen when one is completely broken and stripped of most pride...a clean slate so to speak, so as to begin life anew. So in a round about way you are saying you have to believe in god before you can believe in god?? Ya...we are saved by grace through faith and faith by hearing...which is why we won't just shut up... Quote Faith is belief with out evidence. Ya so quite asking for scientific evidence/proof or whatever you think it is you need to believe in God... Quote Why do you think you couldn't be happy with out your belief in the Christian God? What does it matter? Quote Do you think that no one can be happy with out believing in the Christian God? What does it matter? I'm not here to judge. It's a personal thing. People are so much more concerned with how everyone else lives their life. If you're interested, stop worrying about everyone else and concentrate on you own relationship with God.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #83 June 1, 2012 Quotebut why do you think you couldn't have had these personal breakthroughs without religion? Why does it matter so much to you? As I said, it's a personal thing...how do you know what you're missing? QuoteYou can be an even stronger person without religion. How do you know? QuoteYou might be surprised how happy you can be without the burden of religious belief. I don't feel burdened...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #84 June 1, 2012 QuoteYa...we are saved by grace through faith and faith by hearing...which is why we won't just shut up... How do you know this? QuoteYa so quite asking for scientific evidence/proof or whatever you think it is you need to believe in God... If you have no evidence then why believe it? QuoteWhat does it matter? If you have no evidence of any god, then depending on one for your happiness is pretty sad. QuoteWhat does it matter? I'm not here to judge. It's a personal thing. People are so much more concerned with how everyone else lives their life. If you're interested, stop worrying about everyone else and concentrate on you own relationship with God. With out any evidence of a god it's impossible to have a relationship with such an imaginary being. I am not concerned with how you live your life. I do have questions as to why anyone would want to believe in something that has zero evidence to support it. If you have any evidence then put it out there so it can be tested. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #85 June 1, 2012 QuoteIf you have no evidence then why believe it? I apply scripture and wala, results...a changed life. It may not be enough evidence to hold up to scientific scrutiny, but it's certainly enough to sustain my faith. QuoteIf you have any evidence then put it out there so it can be tested. As I said, millions of people have applied scripture with similar experiences and results...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #86 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteIf you have no evidence then why believe it? I apply scripture and wala, results...a changed life. It may not be enough evidence to hold up to scientific scrutiny, but it's certainly enough to sustain my faith. So if everyone applied scripture then their life will be happy and their life will change for the better? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #87 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you have no evidence then why believe it? I apply scripture and wala, results...a changed life. It may not be enough evidence to hold up to scientific scrutiny, but it's certainly enough to sustain my faith. So if everyone applied scripture then their life will be happy and their life will change for the better? First of all happiness is subjective...I think our ideas of happiness may be nothing alike. One must also count the costs before becoming a christian...it's not for everyone. Luke 14 28-30 Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it? For if you lay the foundation and are not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule you, saying, ‘This person began to build and wasn’t able to finish.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #88 June 1, 2012 So you don't need to believe the Bible or be a Christian to be happy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #89 June 1, 2012 QuoteSo you don't need to believe the Bible or be a Christian to be happy? Are you happy? How confident are you in being happy in any circumstance life throws at you?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #90 June 1, 2012 I am happy right now. I am not happy in all circumstances. Why would believing in a deity that can't be proven to exist make any difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #91 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuotebut why do you think you couldn't have had these personal breakthroughs without religion? Why does it matter so much to you? As I said, it's a personal thing...how do you know what you're missing? QuoteYou can be an even stronger person without religion. How do you know? QuoteYou might be surprised how happy you can be without the burden of religious belief. I don't feel burdened... I know because I was raised in the church and I used to be a believer just like you. It matters to me because I don't like to see other people living in the same false ideology that I was in. It has effects on your thinking that you don't realize until you are free from it. The truth is always better, even when less comforting. Don't be scared to rigorously question your beliefs for fear of eternal damnation. That's how they control you... I guess it comes down to whether you prefer to seek real truth, or just remain bogged down in a comfortable fiction. I know it won't mean much to you, but just ask yourself why you really believe these things and if they are really true or if you just want them to be true. I don't mean to be "preachy," but it's taken me several decades to work through these things and now I want to share that with others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #92 June 2, 2012 QuoteI know because I was raised in the church and I used to be a believer just like you. Apparently not...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #93 June 2, 2012 QuoteYour logic is very flawed. You seem to be saying that everything is true till proven wrong. So we should believe in everything till it's proven to be wrong?Quote Not flawed. What's flawed is that you did not understand what I said. It may 'seem' like I'm saying anything you like as however you want to interpret it. I'm not saying that everything is true till proven wrong. QuoteI don't have any personal evidence. I am asking for evidence to support a claim that was made. Am I wrong to think that you believe God doesn't exist? What evidence do you have to support your belief? See how it works both ways? See the fallacy of that from both sides of it? Again, it's irrational to ask for a test of something that can't be tested. Surely you see that." You can believe or disbelieve as per you mindset. I'm not trying to change your mind. Merely pointing out the fallacy of asking for physical proof of something that can't possibly be physically proven. Surely you can think of a realistic argument to make to support your position, right? If, of course, that is what you want to do. I'm not going to address this again with you. Either you see it or you don't. No skin off my back. I just wish you would be more relevant in your contributions to the topic.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #94 June 2, 2012 Quote Yeah, but that's because you're hilariously biased. Quote The hilarity is you have no clue as to what my religious biases are. Mighty arrogant of you to think you do, though. Congrats. Quote Simple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. Quote I can think of a whole group of religious people who would do that. You might have heard of them, they've kinda been in the news a little this last decade. Typical Jakee. You substituted 'religious people' for 'religion'. Keep the goal posts in the stadium at least. *shaking head* Hint: You may have heard the term 'nutter' somewhere. Think on it. It'll come to you...maybe.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #95 June 2, 2012 QuoteI question his whole premise of atheists being guilty of imposing their beliefs on others. That's fine with me. You may not have been following all the anti-religion threads in SC lately. Go through and count the number of threads started by atheists bashing religion and then count the number of threads started by believers bashing atheism. It's more common than the Sunday money grubbers and the door-to-door testimonials combined. You're big on proof...do some research. QuoteEvolution is not a belief. It's fact.Quote OK...did you read the thread title?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #96 June 2, 2012 QuoteYour logic is not very good. I guess I have to stand corrected. You must be a world's expert on logical thought. *bowing humbly with rolling eyes*My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #97 June 2, 2012 QuoteMillions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? QuoteHow do you know God changed your life and your personality? How do you know your faith and belief improves your quality of life? You are kidding right? These statements sound like middle school. Are you really serious in making them? OK....you're not playing with all the marbles. Have it your way, my friend. Enjoy your life. I'll enjoy mine.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #98 June 2, 2012 Quote Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" Check to see which one has fish-smelling hands and which one has lawn clippings under his nails.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #99 June 2, 2012 Quote I've lost interest in such adolescence. I'm a little slower on the uptake than you but I finally got there. I can't believe that I've made so many contiguous posts even though the evidence is there. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #100 June 2, 2012 Quote I did have a very interesting conversation with a woman on a plane today. I don't know her religious background, but I'd make the guess she was a Christian conservative. She is entirely convinced that the "earth weighs more today than it did 1000 years ago, because people are much, much bigger than they used to be. I don;t know how you got V out of that. There must be more to the story but it definitely is funny. As I was reading, I was thinking she was going to say, "because there are so many more people on the earth". My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. 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popsjumper 2 #94 June 2, 2012 Quote Yeah, but that's because you're hilariously biased. Quote The hilarity is you have no clue as to what my religious biases are. Mighty arrogant of you to think you do, though. Congrats. Quote Simple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. Quote I can think of a whole group of religious people who would do that. You might have heard of them, they've kinda been in the news a little this last decade. Typical Jakee. You substituted 'religious people' for 'religion'. Keep the goal posts in the stadium at least. *shaking head* Hint: You may have heard the term 'nutter' somewhere. Think on it. It'll come to you...maybe.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #95 June 2, 2012 QuoteI question his whole premise of atheists being guilty of imposing their beliefs on others. That's fine with me. You may not have been following all the anti-religion threads in SC lately. Go through and count the number of threads started by atheists bashing religion and then count the number of threads started by believers bashing atheism. It's more common than the Sunday money grubbers and the door-to-door testimonials combined. You're big on proof...do some research. QuoteEvolution is not a belief. It's fact.Quote OK...did you read the thread title?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #96 June 2, 2012 QuoteYour logic is not very good. I guess I have to stand corrected. You must be a world's expert on logical thought. *bowing humbly with rolling eyes*My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #97 June 2, 2012 QuoteMillions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? QuoteHow do you know God changed your life and your personality? How do you know your faith and belief improves your quality of life? You are kidding right? These statements sound like middle school. Are you really serious in making them? OK....you're not playing with all the marbles. Have it your way, my friend. Enjoy your life. I'll enjoy mine.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #98 June 2, 2012 Quote Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" Check to see which one has fish-smelling hands and which one has lawn clippings under his nails.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #99 June 2, 2012 Quote I've lost interest in such adolescence. I'm a little slower on the uptake than you but I finally got there. I can't believe that I've made so many contiguous posts even though the evidence is there. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #100 June 2, 2012 Quote I did have a very interesting conversation with a woman on a plane today. I don't know her religious background, but I'd make the guess she was a Christian conservative. She is entirely convinced that the "earth weighs more today than it did 1000 years ago, because people are much, much bigger than they used to be. I don;t know how you got V out of that. There must be more to the story but it definitely is funny. As I was reading, I was thinking she was going to say, "because there are so many more people on the earth". My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 4 of 57 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
popsjumper 2 #96 June 2, 2012 QuoteYour logic is not very good. I guess I have to stand corrected. You must be a world's expert on logical thought. *bowing humbly with rolling eyes*My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #97 June 2, 2012 QuoteMillions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? QuoteHow do you know God changed your life and your personality? How do you know your faith and belief improves your quality of life? You are kidding right? These statements sound like middle school. Are you really serious in making them? OK....you're not playing with all the marbles. Have it your way, my friend. Enjoy your life. I'll enjoy mine.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #98 June 2, 2012 Quote Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" Check to see which one has fish-smelling hands and which one has lawn clippings under his nails.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #99 June 2, 2012 Quote I've lost interest in such adolescence. I'm a little slower on the uptake than you but I finally got there. I can't believe that I've made so many contiguous posts even though the evidence is there. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #100 June 2, 2012 Quote I did have a very interesting conversation with a woman on a plane today. I don't know her religious background, but I'd make the guess she was a Christian conservative. She is entirely convinced that the "earth weighs more today than it did 1000 years ago, because people are much, much bigger than they used to be. I don;t know how you got V out of that. There must be more to the story but it definitely is funny. As I was reading, I was thinking she was going to say, "because there are so many more people on the earth". My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
