Most Christians accept evolution

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Mr. Pot returns.

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>>But much better Biblical scholars than you disagree on your interpretation.

>...and most are non believers..

The Christian apologists were non believers? Odd interpretation of their faith.

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There are no original manuscripts.

Are you familiar with tedious process of Jewish textual transmission?

Besides, one doesn't even have to read the whole of scripture to have spiritual life, and that which we have has been proven to work for us.

Very familiar. The earliest MTs we have are from ~1000 CE and they have known errors in them.

They are, however, much more consistent than the New Testament Manuscripts. Is the story of the woman caught in adultery authoritative (John 7:53-8:11 or thereabouts)? Is the longer ending of Mark authoritative (16:8-16). Neither one of the are in the oldest manuscripts.

...and nobody's trying to hide that...most bibles will note that.

All that matters is that we have enough that works.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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>I'm just saying that the translations we have today are not the infallible word of God.

I agree! And since we don't have the originals . . . .

>All that matters is that we have enough that works.

Also agreed. It's silly to claim it's perfect, as long as it works for you.

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There are no original manuscripts.

Are you familiar with tedious process of Jewish textual transmission?

Besides, one doesn't even have to read the whole of scripture to have spiritual life, and that which we have has been proven to work for us.

Very familiar. The earliest MTs we have are from ~1000 CE and they have known errors in them.

They are, however, much more consistent than the New Testament Manuscripts. Is the story of the woman caught in adultery authoritative (John 7:53-8:11 or thereabouts)? Is the longer ending of Mark authoritative (16:8-16). Neither one of the are in the oldest manuscripts.

...and nobody's trying to hide that...most bibles will note that.

All that matters is that we have enough that works.

Yes, I realize those are well known examples. You didn't answer my question, though. Do you consider those sections authoritative and as part of the Word of God? Is so, why? If not, why not?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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Do you consider those sections authoritative and as part of the Word of God? Is so, why? If not, why not?

We tend not to base doctrine on those verses...

We're well aware of our depravity and put no confidence in the flesh.

If you want reasons to disbelieve, there are plenty...knock yourself out.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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So it's admittedly as selective as everything humans do.
Thanks.

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Do you consider those sections authoritative and as part of the Word of God? Is so, why? If not, why not?

We tend not to base doctrine on those verses...

We're well aware of our depravity and put no confidence in the flesh.

If you want reasons to disbelieve, there are plenty...knock yourself out.

My belief is not at issue, I am merely asking questions.

I do agree with Reinhold Neibuhr, who held that human depravity is the one doctrine of the faith for which abundant evidence exists.

So, if the scriptures are "inerrant in the original autographs" and we don't have those, then we are just picking and choosing which of the texts that we do have that we like better?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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So it's admittedly as selective as everything humans do.
Thanks.

So then you are a man of faith...interesting.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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then we are just picking and choosing which of the texts that we do have that we like better?

Maybe you are...There is much in scripture that I don't necessarily "like," but I understand it's importance. I'm thankful for that which we have.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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More in humans than make believe.

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good luck with that...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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But much better Biblical scholars than you disagree on your interpretation.

...and most are non believers...kinda a conflict of interest, dontcha think?

Not hardly - most people who do their homework thoroughly come to the conclusion that there is nothing to believe.

Belief is the realm of ignorance by its very nature.


BSBD,

Winsor

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Not hardly - most people who do their homework thoroughly come to the conclusion that there is nothing to believe.

Ya, like you all are a bunch of exhaustive scholars...

besides, there is the other side of the coin you seem to be ignoring.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Not hardly - most people who do their homework thoroughly come to the conclusion that there is nothing to believe.

Ya, like you all are a bunch of exhaustive scholars...

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Oh stop - he's talking about the bible.
Not all those other distractions.
Those aren't gods. (depending on which book you read, or which side of the coin you see)

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Oh stop - he's talking about the bible.

The Hebrew Scriptures and the Christian Scriptures are unrelated texts. There is much, much less continuity between the two than between "Gone With the Wind" and "Scarlett," and their combined packaging infringes upon the copyright of the former.

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Not all those other distractions.
Those aren't gods. (depending on which book you read, or which side of the coin you see)

All gods are equally valid. If you have 1,000 gods, each of whose adherents claim "the other gods are all false!," each is making an equally correct observation.


BSBD,

Winsor

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Appearances are deceiving, eh?

Many here have admittedly given up sometime during their adolescence or shortly thereafter, and then seem to insist that we were just brainwashed as children like they were, as if we are so thoughtless and incapable of examining various ideologies.

As I said before, christianity appeals to all walks of life, which it should. You don't have to be a rocket scientist, though some are.

The one thing I've noticed that is common among the intellectual elite scoffers is the exorbitant level of prideful arrogance which tends to a bit of a turn off if you know anything about scripture.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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then we are just picking and choosing which of the texts that we do have that we like better?

Maybe you are...There is much in scripture that I don't necessarily "like," but I understand it's importance. I'm thankful for that which we have.

Well, when presented the fact that the different translations, etc. differed, your response was that you followed the original. That sounds like a feel good but unrealistic standard, since we do not have the originals. How do you discern? What does "original" mean and include?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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The one thing I've noticed that is common among the intellectual religious elite scoffers is the exorbitant level of prideful arrogance which tends to [sic] a bit of a turn off if you know anything about scripture

Again, Mr. Pot.

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What does "original" mean and include?

We have to make due with the earliest manuscripts in their original language...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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The one thing I've noticed that is common among the intellectual religious elite scoffers is the exorbitant level of prideful arrogance which tends to [sic] a bit of a turn off if you know anything about scripture

Again, Mr. Pot.

It's a process...I'm willing to learn from my failures and change.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[normiss 891]

A lot of us are doing the same.
I hope so anyway!

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All gods are equally valid. If you have 1,000 gods, each of whose adherents claim "the other gods are all false!," each is making an equally correct observation.


BSBD,

Winsor

[billvon 3,107]

>Other than an unbelievable ration of arrogance what credentials could you possibly
>possess that would enable you to define spiritual reality?

The same thing that allows you to define spiritual reality, which you have done dozens of times here. Is it arrogance for you as well?