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"Well I'll be sittin' pretty in Heaven while you'll be burning forever in Hell, and you'll be sorry then!"



For the most part, I think that's just your own perception...non-believers are typically the defensive ones.
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For the most part, I think that's just your own perception...non-believers are typically the defensive ones.



And that's just your own perception . . .

Both sides can be defensive; neither has the monopoly. And it's not attractive from either one.

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Why can't he do it now?.



Your posts read as though you are a poor, poor narrow-minded youngster. You have no clue....only mindless diatribe.
:D:D:D:D

If I were God, those are the people I would tweak their nose to see that look of utter shock in their eyes and then say, "Fuck off, tool."
:D:D:D


You guys are worse than any bible-thumper I could ever dream up. One track mind blah, blah, blah, blah
and more blah, blah, blah, blah.

Time for a commercial break.
God still love you guys though.
:P
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Churches aren't charities.



They do charitable work.


So do I but I don't claim that I should be completely tax exempt on account of it.


Well, hell, Kallend...you should! There is a tax break for charitable work....completely tax exempt.
:D:D
Yes, you knew that.
:P

So we remove all tax exemptions from all charitable institutions, right? Wrong.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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If the person had obviously never been where I'm going, and his only information was from some 2000-year-old stories and personal visions/feelings/illusions, I probably wouldn't tell him to fuck off, but I'd take the advice for what it's worth (little to nothing)



So, never having been there and only knowing stories that exceed your 2000-year limit and only having personal visions/feelings/illusions, when I tell you not to go to prison, you'll take it for what it's worth (little to nothing).

Send me a post card.

Yeah, we can all come up with off-the-wall scenarios to try to justify a point.
Nuttin' new...rather old hat, actually.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Right now the Gov defines what charity is.



Hey, if you can't trust the Government, who can you trust?


:D:D:D:D
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"In God I Trust"
It's just a matter of which group of politicians think they are God this year.
:D:D:D:D
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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I don't think your one-dimensional view on spirituality has anything to do with the reality of it. One can base it completely on reality and keep it void of rituals and the supernatural like I do. Granted: spirituality is a horrible term to refer to the phenomenon, but I experience spiritual feelings and thoughts [Warning Cliché Ahead!] the night sky for example.

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However, previously a novice tried to diagnose me as delusional. He has no knowledge of the proper application of the term.



I don't think he was trying to diagnose you. When most people use the word "delusional," they are using the dictionary definition, not the DSM-IV criteria. And I think the dictionary definition worked just fine for what he was trying to say, even if it wasn't a very nice thing to say.



I suppose you think I should just forget my formal education and life experience and just roll over. I am not willing to do that.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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However, previously a novice tried to diagnose me as delusional. He has no knowledge of the proper application of the term.



I don't think he was trying to diagnose you. When most people use the word "delusional," they are using the dictionary definition, not the DSM-IV criteria. And I think the dictionary definition worked just fine for what he was trying to say, even if it wasn't a very nice thing to say.



I suppose you think I should just forget my formal education and life experience and just roll over. I am not willing to do that.



There are various types of definitions, none of which trumps all others in every circumstance. You have lexical, technical, precising, legal and medical definitions, to name a few.

A medical or legal definition may differ from location to location, or from year to year, and these definitions are all too often contradictory.

Someone can correctly use the term 'delusional' in accordance with another, perfectly legitimate, definition. You would be correct that the use was inappropriate if used in the wrong, very specific, context (i.e., a court of law or during clinical diagnosis).

You need not forget everything you know to accept that its scope is not universal.


BSBD,

Winsor

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There are various types of definitions, none of which trumps all others in every circumstance. You have lexical, technical, precising, legal and medical definitions, to name a few.

A medical or legal definition may differ from location to location, or from year to year, and these definitions are all too often contradictory.

Someone can correctly use the term 'delusional' in accordance with another, perfectly legitimate, definition. You would be correct that the use was inappropriate if used in the wrong, very specific, context (i.e., a court of law or during clinical diagnosis).

You need not forget everything you know to accept that its scope is not universal.


BSBD,

Winsor



You are absolutely correct. However, I am not delusional. I know what the term means in a professional setting. I have been validated by several in this forum, by many in my social world and by my entire family. I know Whose I am and where I am going. I am not alone.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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I am not delusional. I know what the term means in a professional setting. I have been validated by several in this forum, by many in my social world and by my entire family. I know Whose I am and where I am going. I am not alone.



The use of the term in a professional setting bears no similarity to the use to which you objected.

Being 'validated' ('Validation' is a legally defined process, and I recognize that you are using an entirely different definition here) by members of this forum et al. is logically irrelevant - Argumentum ad Populum and all that.

You may be correct regarding what you claim to know, but said claims, at least as stated, are subject to equally valid refutation.

The fact that you are not alone is equally irrelevant.

Again, if it makes you happy, that's great. I would counsel any newcomer to The Rooms 'to thine own self be true,' however that shapes up.

It is only when you go from 'I believe this' to 'this is true' that your claims are subject to review. A statement of belief (or doubt) is merely a statement of fact, a claim of veracity on any subject may be evaluated on its merits.

If you believe in Ra and build pyramids, all I can say is "nice pyramids, dude."

If you build pyramids and use their existance to claim the existance of Ra, we're off to the races.


BSBD,

Winsor

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A person that cannot be persuaded from their false beliefs by any reasoning, evidence or fact is by definition delusional. I have, on occasion, asked religious people what reasoning, evidence or fact would make them change their beliefs and often they find this a difficult question to answer because it conflicts directly with the concept of faith. It seems to me that faith and delusion are rather intimate bed fellows.

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A person that cannot be persuaded from their false beliefs by any reasoning, evidence or fact is by definition delusional. I have, on occasion, asked religious people what reasoning, evidence or fact would make them change their beliefs and often they find this a difficult question to answer because it conflicts directly with the concept of faith. It seems to me that faith and delusion are rather intimate bed fellows.



In my case faith is based on first experience. Things happen when you humble yourself at the foot of the cross of Jesus Christ.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Why can't he do it now?.



Your posts read as though you are a poor, poor narrow-minded youngster. You have no clue....only mindless diatribe.
:D:D:D:D

If I were God, those are the people I would tweak their nose to see that look of utter shock in their eyes and then say, "Fuck off, tool."
:D:D:D


You guys are worse than any bible-thumper I could ever dream up. One track mind blah, blah, blah, blah
and more blah, blah, blah, blah.

Time for a commercial break.
God still love you guys though.
:P


At least you have finally quit trying to peddle your silly argument and now stooped to condescension.

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A person that cannot be persuaded from their false beliefs by any reasoning, evidence or fact is by definition delusional. I have, on occasion, asked religious people what reasoning, evidence or fact would make them change their beliefs and often they find this a difficult question to answer because it conflicts directly with the concept of faith. It seems to me that faith and delusion are rather intimate bed fellows.



In my case faith is based on first experience. Things happen when you humble yourself at the foot of the cross of Jesus Christ.



Ah, but what would make you change your beliefs?

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I am not delusional. I know what the term means in a professional setting. I have been validated by several in this forum, by many in my social world and by my entire family. I know Whose I am and where I am going. I am not alone.



The use of the term in a professional setting bears no similarity to the use to which you objected.

Being 'validated' ('Validation' is a legally defined process, and I recognize that you are using an entirely different definition here) by members of this forum et al. is logically irrelevant - Argumentum ad Populum and all that.

You may be correct regarding what you claim to know, but said claims, at least as stated, are subject to equally valid refutation.

The fact that you are not alone is equally irrelevant.

Again, if it makes you happy, that's great. I would counsel any newcomer to The Rooms 'to thine own self be true,' however that shapes up.

It is only when you go from 'I believe this' to 'this is true' that your claims are subject to review. A statement of belief (or doubt) is merely a statement of fact, a claim of veracity on any subject may be evaluated on its merits.

If you believe in Ra and build pyramids, all I can say is "nice pyramids, dude."

If you build pyramids and use their existance to claim the existance of Ra, we're off to the races.


BSBD,

Winsor



Do you realize that you have been trying to belittle me and my faith for over ten years. It goes back to the rec.skydiving days. I never met a Jewish person that did not make me think and you are in the top one or two.

You have strengthened my walk with the Lord and I thank you for it. As the Scripture goes, Satan may have meant for bad but God used it for good.

I am just a speck of dust on the road. Now and again I get in your eye and it stimulates you.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Ah, but what would make you change your beliefs?



Nothing in the world could do that.



Which is why faith is a very dangerous thing.



Ya...it can be. I've recently learned how to control people and life situations with my mind. It scares the shit out of me...It's hard for me to trust myself with that level of power. It's probably a good thing for you that I fear God.
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Spirituality = religion



Again a better attempt to get my point across on a less snarky way. Spirituality is just the wonder and awe about the mystery that this universe is. It's naturally occurring in most humans and spirituality is not the proper name for it, it's just the name religious people made up for it. I only use it for lack of a better term. Religion isn't spirituality, it prostitutes spirituality and often devaluates it and dumbs it down.

While the feelings of wonder and awe about the mystery is often approached in a religious fashion, it can be approached in a philosophical materialistic way, but that doesn't make it something else. If anything, in it's purest form it's much more powerful than the quality-free mass product religion usually offers.

The Hubble Deep Field has offered me more spiritual satisfaction than all the tales of the Christian Sheep God in the world ever could.

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Which is why faith is a very dangerous thing.



If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

Good luck to you.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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